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They're Angry, Not Stupid! Why Trump Is Likely To Win Again
I wonder how many people watch FOX and think that's the "news" based on "facts" especially when they see Tucker/Hannity/Ingraham trying to play journalist.
You have to watch both knowing they spin their own version of everything and then throw in NPR or some other less bias view to get the truth.
You’re both right. Both MSNBC and Fox are highly slanted towards their greatly polarized audiences. To me that’s reprehensible. More so when you realize networks have long used instant (sample) viewer polling / feedback which tells them which stories garner the most intense emotional reaction. So if rating numbers start to sag, they can ramp up their emotionally laden stories and vicious slant even more. CNN isn’t any better. Ignore all of them.
And NBC’s Meet the Press is as bad nowadays as those cable outlets. Should change its name as it’s an embarrassment to the “press” as most of us understand it. Maybe “Meet the one-sided poorly prepared hack who wouldn’t recognize a good follow-up question if it smacked him in the face”.
The only show worth watching for even-handed interviews is Chris Wallace‘s on Sunday afternoon. Re-airs Sunday evenings which is when I normally watch. Interestingly, Wallace is on Fox.
For some semblance of balance read both the WA Post (left) and the WSJ (right).
“Slant” is not the same as inaccurate or false reporting. I don’t doubt those stats you provided. Networks can “slant” stories in many ways without actually “lying“.
- Selection of personalities (authorities) they “interview”
- Those anonymous “man (woman) on the street” interviews / testimonials they weave in
- Selection of stories covered
- Choice of words (particularity emotionally laden ones) in presenting stories.
- Omission of countervailing information.
- Amount of time spent on a particular story
- Placement / prominence allotted particular stories
- Visuals used to supplement stories (particularly noticeable when covering the recent protests)
- Tone of voice, inflection, timing, gesture, etc. in how a story is presented
I happen to think John Meacham is both brilliant and eloquent. A former close friend of GHWB. Unfortunately, he’s not counterbalanced on MSNBC by an equally gifted spokesman for the conservative side. And I suspect he’d agree that such counter-opinion would add balance and depth to the network.
Some of this same crowd loves his barometer thread and here he any one leaning conservative just gets pounded. So here we are with the Dems putting up a candidate and platform that no thinking person with assets could really want, but because Trump is so bad personally, they support the left. I am resigned to support the President for lack of a better choice from any party. Years of support for true liberty got me no place as the nation moved further away from freedom and closer to socialism. So sorry for my two sons who may never have a President who can protect us, show sound judgment, limit spending and set a good example for all. Is there no one?
You heard wrong, and some facts are incontestable:
The number of murders per year in NYC now is a bit over half of Rudy's annual murder count in the 90s (see below). Every year he was in office, NYC had over 600 murders. Under De Blasio, NYC never reached 400 murders through 2019.
In 2020, there have been 235 murders through July, which works out to an annualized rate of 403. That's still 1/3 lower than Rudy's best (629).
Did I mention that the population of NYC is about 7% higher than when Rudy left office (using the 2000 figure of 8.008M and the 2020 figure of 8.550M)?
- Uh-huh. Who could that possibly be? Gerson? Rubin? Frum? Of course not, they are all blisteringly anti-GOP now (understandably, like actually all 'gifted' conservatives).
What you wish for does not exist, and has not for very many years. The conservative side too.
- Your premise appears to be that today's dominant rightwingnut world has something, anything to do with true conservatism, whatever it was or fancied to be, of the past. There are many many dozens of analyses in recent articles showing that this is a preposterous thought. I will let you find them. What might you mean here? Individual responsibility? Small gov? Moral principles? Wise deregulation? Historically informed jurisprudence? Personal freedoms? Ethical behavior? Economic prudence? Bootstrap encouragement and reduced spending? What was it you were thinking of, exactly?
This made me laugh out loud:
Okay, here is just one of the many dozens of articles:
You misunderstood my comment. I assumed the comments on MSNBC were factually correct...like in the sense that when someone is arrested I doubt they fill out a form proclaiming their affiliation with BLM hence no proof of any arrest of a BLM member. Anyone with a set of eyes can tell you that crime in NYC has not gotten better under de Blasio and in the wake of George Floyd is materially worse. It is true that de Blasio did not immediately mess with the success that Rudy and Bloomberg had in bringing down crime and perhaps the number of murders is less now than under the Republicans. That said, every single Trump hater I know (and I know plenty) agree that the crime/riots/lack of respect for law and order in dem-controlled cities is out of control and no statistics are going to provide comfort that what people think they are seeing isn't real. I think going down that road is just what the Donald needs.
Yep - in terms of having balanced media (as far as cable stuff goes) we’re on shaky ground. Any journalist worth his salt is going to identify false narratives rather than presenting them as fact. For a look at how that works, check out the opening 5 minutes of the PBS news hour Friday. Woodruff and team did a beautiful job dissecting Trump’s Thursday night speech from the White House (the “Peoples’ House”, as Ronald Regan called it).
There are moderate voices in the republican party - but darned few willing to speak up. Senator Mitt Romney’s one, Alaska’s Senator Lisa Murkowski likely fits the bill as well. And there’s Retired General Adam Clayton Powell (possibly no longer a Republican). Journalistically, political commentators David Gergen, David Brooks, Paul Gigot are conservatives. But at least two of the three find Trumpism anathema. Not sure about the third (Gigot).
So how can we make sense of all this? Feels like watching a movie unwind in slow-motion with a known possible very bad ending - emotionally, a situation reminiscent of Ralph’s desperate plea for adult intervention in Chapter 5 of Golding’s Lord of the Flies: “If only they could get a message to us, ... If only they could send us something grownup....a sign or something." - Of course, the “adult” sign that soon arrives is a perverse one.
You even made it clear what your comment was about, literally, with a followup shortly thereafter:
Oh, and to be clear...having been in NYC dozens of times during both the Rudy and de Blasio eras I can say without a doubt there is a palpable difference to say the least
So I compared the two eras to see what factual, numeric differences there were between the eras.
no statistics are going to provide comfort that what people think they are seeing isn't real.
Your post demonstrates that. For you, a city with half the crime felt worse than a city under a mayor out to ticket jaywalkers. It was palpable to you, but not real. People react in accordance with what they think they see, prejudices and all, and that's the point of BLM.
You're still not getting it. I totally stand by my comments. I'm guessing you have not been to the city in quite a while. The violence/homelessness/lack of respect for the law has gotten out of control. You can argue that that Covid is a confounding variable...but to say that NYC feels safer now than in the Rudy era is uniformed by reality on the ground regardless of "statistics." Broken store windows, bricks thrown at cops...who stand down and do not make arrests may make it seem like "there's nothing to see here" on paper, but it is not truth. As to "the point" of BLM being to combat racial prejudice you're certainly entitled to your opinion.
Here’s an article on how neighborhoods that were redlined as “hazardous” in the 1930s because they were African-American neighborhoods and eliminated the possibility of investment. This one policy had a horrific effect on city neighborhoods and continues to have repressive consequences to this day.
How Decades of Racist Housing Policy Left Neighborhoods Sweltering
Redlining helped reshape the urban landscape of U.S. cities. It also left communities of color far more vulnerable to rising heat.
Lets look beyond the media bias which does not contextualize events, but captures one moment and magnifies it for their point of view.
By the way, my experience of NYC of late has been the presumably non-newsworthy moments of a courageously caring community in the midst of a pandemic, and loss of lives and livelihood.
I'm guessing you have not been to the city in quite a while.
The last time I went to the city I drove in on June 16th (driving because of Covid-19). Before that, I went to the city by public transit on March 12th. When were the "dozens of times" you've been to the city? Did you personally witness "bricks thrown at cops"?
You put the word "statistics" in quotes, implying that the figures are not accurate. Do you not trust the NYC police, whose union recently endorsed Trump? https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf
According to the NYPD, murders are up, but that's always been a small part of crime, and total crime is down. It was crime, not murder, that you wrote about: "Anyone with a set of eyes can tell you that crime in NYC has not gotten better under de Blasio".
To paraphrase Marx, who are you going to believe, the NYPD or your own eyes?
Impressions are funny things. I worked for someone (major backer of our company, board member) who was later convicted for 1st degree murder. A big real estate investor. So am I concerned about real estate people in positions of power? Okay, you've got me there
Crime is relative to total number of people inhabiting an area. So rate of incidents may appear higher than actually is in a crowded area like NYC. I think statistics would bear out my own long-time contention that the majority of violent crime / assaults are committed by someone who is acquainted with their victim (family members, employees, neighbors, rival gang members, folks engaged in illicit drug dealing, etc.)
Media thrives on this crime stuff because it grabs eyeballs. Heck, you’d be afraid to take a walk in the woods in Michigan if all your perceptions came from the local newscasts.
The NY Times had a piece a few years ago on How Redlining's Racist Effects Lasted for Decades
Not just racist, but discriminating against anyone who was different, including "Jews and Irish". That's worth repeating, and one would hope that this is universal.