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I've been wanting to add to my Int'l allocation for a while and figured I'd ask for suggestions for the long haul. I've read the recent post citing MGGPX as a solid fund and wondering what are other MFO favs to consider. I try to keep it simple. Thanks~ Starchild
I am of the very small minority opinion that you don't need a dedicated foreign fund but I do own MGGPX and TIBIX.
If you prefer a little less volatile fund take at FMIJX.
MGGPX, at least to my limited knowledge, would not be a core piece, but an add on with potential upside. My concern with the fund, unless others differ, is that buying now feels like chasing past performance, and paying the fees to do so. Also, with such a small basket of stocks, it runs the risk of an easy plummet.
Purchase and Sale of Fund Shares
Effective at the close of the New York Stock Exchange on Monday, April 2, 2018, the fund will be closed to new investors and new accounts, subject to certain exceptions. Investors who already hold shares of the fund at the close of business on Monday, April 2, 2018, will be permitted to continue to purchase additional shares.
Since, the S&P 500 Index now derives better than 40% of it's earnings outside the US I use mostly global funds to gain additional foreign exposure. Please know that it has not always been this way since I became an investor some fifty years ago. So, to gain additional foreign exposure, years back, I used some global funds to offer me more foreign exposure. And, I still do today. My thinking, today, is to still use global funds which allows the fund manager to be somewhat adaptive to the markets by leaning towards which are felt to be the better performers between domestic or foreign holdings while still holding some of each.
In the growth and income area of my portfolio my global equity sleeve consist of: CWGIX, DEQAX, DWGAX and EADIX. All of these funds pay good dividends.
In the growth area of my portfolio my global growth sleeve consist of: ANWPX, NEWFX and SMCWX.
Then there are global allocation funds that can also provide both domestic and foreign exposure. I own a good number of hybrid type funds. Three of them found in the growth & income area of my portfolio in the global hybrid sleeve are CAIBX, TEQIX and TIBAX. All of these funds pay good dividends.
Most of the above funds I have owned for better than ten years with some more than twenty five.
Best of luck in your seach for an international or global fund that finds your fancy.
You might wish to give a shout out to @JoJo26 as she seems to be of the new school spirited type investor for her thoughts. In addition, perhaps @tmadell might have a thought or two for you. I'm of the old school type and invest the traditional way via broker and financial advisor.
I wish you the very best in the coming years with your investing endeavors.
The other funds I was going to suggest are closed, but keep an eye open for JOHAX, if it reopens. SFVLX is open, small and from a good company, with a reasonable ER, despite an initially unimpressive performance.
Consider putting a fragment of your funds at some point (or at multiple points) in an emerging markets ETF, such as the 4* IEMG, since it's likely that these companies (those who survive) will be the dominant foreign companies in your old age.
My Recommended Stock Funds:
-Vanguard Extended Market Idx (VEXMX)
-Vanguard Small Cap Growth Idx (VISGX)
-Vanguard 500 Index (VFINX)
-Vanguard Equity Income (VEIPX)
-Vanguard Windsor II (VWNFX)
-Vanguard Energy (VGENX)
-Vanguard Growth Idx (VIGRX)
-Vanguard Pacific Index (VPACX)
-Vanguard International Growth (VWIGX)
-Vanguard Europe Idx (VEURX)
-Vanguard Emerging Markets Idx (VEIEX)
-Tweedy, Browne Global Value (TBGVX)
-Vanguard Total Stock Mkt Idx Inv (VTSMX)
-Vanguard Developed Markets Idx Adm (VTMGX)
My Recommended Bond Funds:
-Vanguard California Interm-Term Tax-Exempt (VCAIX)
-PIMCO Total Return Instl (PTTRX)
-Vanguard Total Bond Market Index (VBMFX)
-Vanguard High Yield (VWEHX)
-Vanguard Short-Term Investment-Grade (VFSTX)
-PIMCO International Bond Adm (PFRAX)
-Vanguard Total International Bond Index (VTIBX)
Some Tips Form Skeet
You might wish to visit how much risk you have within your portfolio. I have seen, through the years, some of my buddies taking on too much risk in an attemp to meet targeted returns. Have you done a risk assessment of your portfolio? And, is it set to your tolerance? If in doubt then you might wish to do a risk profile on yourself. I have linked one below just in case it might interest you.
In doing a look back into Dr. Madell's October 2018 newsletter below are his published model asset allocations.
Overall Allocations to Stocks, Bonds, and Cash
Recommended For Moderate Risk Investors
Asset Current (Last Qtr.)
Stocks 57% (57%)
Bonds 24 (25)
Cash 19 (18)
Recommended For Aggressive Risk Investors
Asset Current (Last Qtr.)
Stocks 73% (73%)
Bonds 14 (14)
Cash 13 (13)
Recommended For Conservative Risk Investors
Asset Current (Last Qtr.)
Stocks 20% (20%)
Bonds 35 (35)
Cash 45 (45)
While my asset allocation of 20% cash, 40% income and 40% equity might not be right for you it is what I have recently moved to being 70+ years in age and retired. This asset allocation affords me enough cash reserves should I need a cash infusion, enough income generation from my income area along with enough growth from my equity area to grow my principal over time. Generally, I take no more than one half (in dollars) of what my five year annual average returns have been. In this way principal grows over time. And, as my principal grows so do my distributions.
In addition, I'd do an Instant Xray of my portfolio before I add new positions and then with the proposed changes to make sure the changes reflect the way I want to head.
Morningstar's Instant Xray tool is linked below. In addition to looking at your portfolio as a whole you might wish to look at each fund in Xray to see how it is compiled. This should help in making better fit choices.
Again, I wish you good investing in the years to come.
had janus overseas few yrs back jaosx but got rid of it underperform/took a good loss. now buying DCA into ETFs: EEM & VWO.
I fell in love with pie-charts some 25 years ago after I deep-sixed my fee-based “advisor” and started wondering how to diversify a portfolio. It’s an easy way to visualize the proportion allocated to different sectors and to make quick modifications if needed. (Might also be a “right brain” / “left brain” issue. ) Dr. Mandell’s recommendations, while not presented in pie-chart form, easily lend themselves to one. No doubt there are apps that could easily display them that way.
I’m astounded at how conservatively he positions a “conservative” investor. 45% cash? Yikes! But it’s not for me to say. Something in me wonders if that represents perhaps a “cautious” outlook for stocks?
I’m glad @Starchild felt enlightened by all the suggestions. I didn’t weigh in. The universe of high quality International / Global funds is just too wide for me to be comfortable suggesting one. Success relative to peers is often based on where in the world they chose to position the fund and how different economies performed over shorter periods.
Perhaps, @tmadell, Dr. Madell will address his asset allocations in an upcoming newsletter. I believe he wrote about this sometime ago ... but, I just can't remember when. I'm if you were to troll back through his newsletters you would find more on the subject. Should you find something of interest please share.
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Skeet mentioned a number of Vanguard funds using investor class tickers. These are now closed to retail investors; look for the admiral class shares. For example, instead of VIGRX, use VIGAX.
@STB65 writes that PRIDX suggests that one can still get in if one can meet the min. I don't know how (with the usual exceptions of grandfathered 401k plans and the like). It is closed to new investors even going directly through TRP (as of April 2, 2018):
(See also Shadow's post above.)
That is indeed a soft close (since existing investors can add money), but for new investors it might as well be a hard close.
I'm wondering about the statement that "VWIGX will always be open." It's not as though Vanguard doesn't close funds. See VDIGX. Unlike, say, the Primecap run funds, VDIGX is closed even to Flagship customers. Why couldn't VWIGX likewise be closed in the future?
It's true that Vanguard often adds more subadvisors to increase capacity of its funds rather than close them. By that thinking though, VWIGX should be even more likely to close, since Vanguard dropped the number of subadvisors for the fund from three to two in mid 2016.
Regarding using global funds to let managers put money where it can be used best: I like the idea of letting mangers do what I'm paying them to do, i.e. manage. But ISTM that global funds generally (a) have a big hometown bias (50%+ in US) and (b) keep their US/foreign ratios fairly steady. There may be exceptions of course, which means digging through older annual statements to see if they actually do move assets in and out of the US.
Where I think the "delegate to manager" may work better with foreign funds is in deciding which foreign countries to invest in. That is why I prefer broad based foreign funds. Also, a few of these funds more than dabble in EM, so there are some funds that can be used to truly span the globe. Notably, VWIGX has nearly 1/4 of assets in EM.