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Yellowjackets!

edited October 4 in Off-Topic
Here in Northern Illinois, this has been a banner year for Yellowjacket wasps. As a DIYer, of course, I had the urge to deal with them myself. It has been quite a battle. With injuries on both sides.

I just got done dealing with two such nests. The first was in the underside of a bay window, up inside a small hole in the caulked perimeter. I got stung on the face the first day. They pack a serious punch. Days of discomfort. I spent weeks spraying as they came and went, because I could not get near the opening (up underneath and close to the ground) to locate it. After knocking down the vast majority of them, I was able to put the straw from a foaming wasp spray in tho hole, which I located by setting an iPhone nearby and watching the stragglers come and go. I sprayed up inside 3 or 4 days in a row, before the activity dropped to near zero. Then used spray foam to fill the void.

The second one, I accidentally discovered by my woodpile, as I was cleaning up. One got on my cloth glove and stung my thumb really good. Four days later, it still hurts. That was when I discovered the full extent of the situation. I started using a rake to pull back all the kindling from either side. This left two pieces of punky wood on the ground. Using the rake and standing well back, I flipped one of the logs over. That is when the SHTF. I got stung twice 8 - 10 ft away, and a third time as I ran like hell. Now exposed, I waited for the furor to die down, then I used wasp spray from a good distance to douse the exposed nest.

Note to self: Next time wear a heavy long sleeved shirt and use leather gloves. I may even consider a suit, should I have to do this again. In both cases, trying to deal with them at night was not really possible. The first nest was impossible to see in daytime, let alone night. The second nest might have been possible, but moving wood in darkness under a tree, is not optimal for finding the opening. Or remaining calm. lol

Anyhow, I now know that I am not allergic to yellowjackets. Anyone else seeing a proliferation of these critters this year?

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  • House behind us was getting new siding & we noted a couple of workers running for their lives while removing the old siding. Took a wild guess & figured they found a bee hive !!
  • No. But the description of your misadventures had me riveted. Genius, using your phone. The unwelcome proliferating pest in these parts is the Rhinoceros Coconut Beetle. RCB, for short. imageLike Stonewall Jackson once uttered: "kill 'em all."

  • That beetle is hideous and massive! And absolutely looks like a Rhino.
  • edited October 4
    I got stung twice this summer (Michigan). Probably yellowjackets. Both on right arm. First one came from what seemed a random attack while mowing close to the house. Couldn’t locate any nearby nests. No further complications. The second time was while tossing recyclables into an outdoor public repository. (Yes, they’re obviously nesting inside.) Had a really bad reaction from the second one. Swelling, itching, rash. Lasted about 2 weeks. From what I’ve read, subsequent bee stings are typically worse than the initial one.

    PS - I emptied 2-3 cans of hydrocortisone spray over that time. Some relief. Baby power + frequent cleansing with warm soap & water seemed most effective at stopping the itch - but not completely.

    ”Anyone else seeing a proliferation of these critters this year?” Likely. Before this summer I’d only been stung by bees 2 or 3 times in my life. So 2 in one summer is unusual.
  • @DrVenture- yes. I was about to mention that- you want to be very careful after a few stings because sometimes people develop a serious allergy after that.

    When I was a kid my brother and I, on vacation out in the country, disturbed a yellowjacket nest and they not only attacked us near the nest but chased the two of us about a half mile back to the house, where our parents had a hell of a time swatting them all to death. That's probably the fastest that I've ever run in my whole life.

    My brother and I were "Calamine Lotioned" real good for a few days.
  • edited October 4
    We too have had unusual problems this year with yellowjackets at our weekend place in Guerneville, north of San Francisco. Having done a little reading on that, I found that yellowjackets tend to become very intrusive at this time of year, because their normal food supply becomes scarce, and they are on countdown to the end of their lives.

    Evidently each nest exists for only one year, and at this time they are grooming a queen to survive over the winter and start a new nest next spring. Getting near their nests is especially dangerous right now.

    Also, it's interesting that there is some difference between "Eastern" and "Western" yellowjackets. We ordered "RESCUE! Disposable Yellowjacket Trap - Mountain & Pacific Formula" from Amazon, and man! do they head for those traps. The RESCUE people are very clear about using the correct version, depending upon your geographic location.

    From the supplier-
    Mountain & Pacific Formula – Make sure you choose the right trap! The attractant in this model is specially formulated to lure yellowjacket species found in states that fall in the Pacific and Mountain Time Zones.
    Who would have guessed that yellowjackets keep track of the time zone that they're in? I wonder if Daylight Saving Time confuses them at all?
    :)
  • edited October 4
    ”Evidently each nest exists for only one year, and at this time they are grooming a queen to survive over the winter and start a new nest next spring. Getting near their nests is especially dangerous right now”

    Fascinating isn’t it? Saw a flock of geese flying south today and got to wondering how they know winter will soon arrive and how they’re able to time their exit from this region so skillfully. I’ll guess it’s the shortening of daylight hours. David mentions in this month’s Observer how some plants bloom in the fall, triggered by the shorter days and longer nights.
  • Yes! The Chrysanthemum.
  • I am allergic to yellowjackets and bees.

    Home remedies include Benadryl or Zyrtec, cortisone ointment or cream. If those don't work, call 911 to be taken to hospital emergency.
  • edited October 5
    Ice works good when first stung. Then Ibuprofen, which does take the edge off for a few hours. And a tube of Anthisan topical cream seems to help a little. Though it is well past the expiration date. I have Cortisone anti-itch, will try that too. Thanks.

    The sting on my face was the worst reaction, with the whole side of my face tender for at least 24 hours. Then the thumb, which still hurts 4-5 days later. That one was stuck to my cloth glove and really gave it to me. The third worst being my right index finger, which is still swollen 2 days later. The ones on my arms just itch now, which seems to be the progression. Sting, burn, ache, itch. Heavy gloves and a heavy shirt would have been the smart move. Of course, being 90 degrees, I was wearing a t-shirt. And thought that thick cloth gloves were fine. Foolish move.

    For a day, I've stayed back from the nest in the ground, except to douse it with spray a few times more. When I first pulled away the punky log that covered it, a few layers of nest came away. This allowed me to soak it directly later on the day that I found it. This morning there were more layers torn away. I expected that raccoons or possum would get to it for a tasty meal. The hole in the ground is about the size of a basketball. Big nest. And still some minor activity. So I doused it once more this morning. That should do it.
  • @old_joe

    Thanks for the background info and Rescue trap info.
  • edited October 5
    Sorry - I didn’t at first comprehend the number of times you were stung. Sounds awful. My sense is that the critters have become more aggressive this summer (maybe breeding related). The one that stung me at the recycling center was buzzing me as I emptied the litter. But it followed me all the way back to the car (15 feet away) before it landed on my arm. I tried to brush it away which generally works, but got stung instead.

    Over the years living here in a wooded area I’ve dealt with bees in various ways. Cooler temps are preferable of course. Those liquid sprays are wonderful. It doesn’t really take a lot of it to discourage them, though they’ll stick around several hours trying to get back into the hive. Inside the detached garage they’d get in between the siding and some pegboard I hang tools on. What worked somewhat was to use my propane fueled insect fogger intended for large area outdoor use and fog inside with doors closed. Eventually I got smart and keep a good quality bug zapper lit up in there. I’ve even had them come in through the vent pipes on the home furnace and build nests inside the heating work. So there’s another bug zapper on 24/7 in that room.

    I have some prescription strength cortisone cream on hand. Didn’t seem to help with the itching which was making it hard to sleep at night. The non-prescription cortisone spray available at Walmart worked some - but didn’t last long. Baby power + gentle cleansing yes - but messy.
  • edited October 5
    @hank Thanks. Yeah, there was a bit of cussing going on.

    I had been to the dermatologist early in the week and had a few benign patches frozen off. And done some tree trimming this week, which always leads to scratches and cuts.

    So, I look like I've been in a fight. lol
  • @hank Did you try some Scotch to easy the pain?!
  • I’m the same way when it comes to looking like been in a fight.

    @Derf, despite my fondness for the flavor of scotch I keep myself on a “short leash”. Not an option for pain relief unfortunately.
  • @hank same here!
  • edited October 5
    Derf said:

    @hank same here!

    Wasn’t always that way. Back In the ”Good Ol’ days …”
  • You certainly need to do antihistamines before anything else, ingested and topical, along with ice

    Not nsaids or steroids first

    This is even for those who are not “allergic”

    No stinger to remove almost always

    Then cortisone

    Just went through this
  • edited October 6
    Sounds right.

    One more thing that we haven't mentioned- yellowjackets, unlike many other species, can sting multiple times and don't die from doing that. Only female yellowjackets have stingers, and they use them to defend their nests.
  • ...Not to be confused with the Yellowjackets of GA Tech.
    https://ramblinwreck.com/
  • edited October 6

    You certainly need to do antihistamines before anything else, ingested and topical, along with ice

    Not nsaids or steroids first

    This is even for those who are not “allergic”

    No stinger to remove almost always

    Then cortisone

    Just went through this

    Good to know! Thanks. I did all but the ingested antihistamine, right after getting stung. Though I take one (loratadine) each morning anyhow. So, just a few hours earlier.

    And, correct, I found no stingers at all.

    Side note: I buried the hole where the nest was, and a critter dug it up again at night. And tore through the old nest pieces on the ground too. Today, I saw one lone straggler circling where the nest used to be, agitated and forlorn!

    I finished cleaning the area, and am burning all the old wood today before the rains come.


  • Zyrtec (cetirizine) and Claritin (Loratadine) are day-antihistamines that cause less drowsiness. I prefer Zyrtec.

    Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is older antihistamine that causes significant drowsiness, so is a night-time antihistamine. I grew up on Benadryl (-:).

    Some take Benadryl with 1-2 drinks to sleep through their flights.
  • edited October 6
    @yogibearbull Thanks again.

    I may need to add Zyrtec and Benadryl to the shopping list!
  • And this, from a DuckDuckGo search.
    The info sources shown are: Healthline, and the Cleveland Clinic.
    Treatment for Yellow Jacket Stings
    Immediate Care for Local Reactions


    For most people, yellow jacket stings cause localized symptoms. Here are steps to treat a sting:

    Clean the Area: Wash the sting site with soap and water to prevent infection.

    Apply Ice: Use a cold pack or ice wrapped in a cloth for 10-20 minutes to reduce swelling and pain.

    Take Antihistamines: Over-the-counter antihistamines can help relieve itching and swelling.

    Elevate the Affected Area: If the sting is on an arm or leg, keep it elevated to minimize swelling.

    Use Home Remedies: A paste made from meat tenderizer and water can neutralize venom. Apply it for about 20 minutes.

    Signs of Allergic Reactions

    Some individuals may experience severe allergic reactions, known as anaphylaxis. Symptoms include:

    Difficulty breathing or swallowing
    Swelling of the face, lips, or throat
    Hives or widespread rash
    Dizziness or fainting

    Emergency Response

    If any signs of anaphylaxis occur, call 911 immediately. If you have an EpiPen, use it as directed. Seek emergency medical care even if symptoms improve after using the EpiPen.

    Follow-Up Care

    If symptoms persist or worsen, or if you experience multiple stings, consult a healthcare provider. They can assess for potential complications or infections.
  • diphenhydramine is a nasty med even though pediatricians have long been seduced by it (conks kids out among other things)

    it also is connected to cognition changes in older adults

    you can take several loratadine and that class daily if necessary, as they are very safe; I take two a day anyway year-round, quite aside from stings, when I took 3-4

    I completely failed to mention icing it pronto, oi, sorry
  • @davidmoran
    @Old_Joe

    Thanks again!

    You know, funny thing is that ice works good immediately after. The next day, however, even cool water running over the hands seemed to re-activate/irritate the fingers that were stung.

    I did wonder if a second dose of loratadine was bad or good. Glad to know it is safe to take a second dose, as needed.
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