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NOAA Said to Be Planning to Shrink Staff by 20 Percent

Following are excerpts from a current report in The New York Times:
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the nation’s premier agency for weather and climate science, has been told by the Trump administration to prepare to lose another 1,000 workers, raising concerns that NOAA’s lifesaving forecasts might be hindered as hurricane and disaster season approaches.

The new dismissals would come in addition to the roughly 1,300 NOAA staff members who have already resigned or been laid off in recent weeks. The moves have alarmed scientists, meteorologists and others at the agency, which includes the National Weather Service. Some activities, including the launching of weather balloons, have already been suspended because of staffing shortages.

Together, the reductions would represent nearly 20 percent of NOAA’s approximately 13,000-member work force.

Managers within NOAA have been told to draw up proposals for layoffs and reorganizations to trim the agency’s staff by at least 1,000 people, according to eight people who requested anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the plans publicly. NOAA managers have been asked to complete their proposals by Tuesday, one of the people said. The proposals are likely to involve eliminating some of the agency’s functions, though managers have received little guidance about which programs to prioritize for cutting.

The recent employee departures have already affected NOAA’s operations in many realms: predicting hurricanes and tornadoes, overseeing fisheries and endangered species, monitoring the changes that humans are bringing about to Earth’s climate and ecosystems.

NOAA has been singled out for cuts by some of Mr. Trump’s allies. Project 2025 calls NOAA “one of the main drivers of the climate change alarm industry.” The document calls for the agency to be dismantled and some of its functions eliminated or privatized. The idea that private companies could replace NOAA in forecasting the weather is a “gross misunderstanding,” said Keith Seitter, a distinguished visiting lecturer in meteorology and climate science at College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Mass: “The app on your phone or what you’re watching on TV, those are private-sector companies, but those private-sector companies depend critically on NOAA for all the information that they’re using to create those forecasts,” Dr. Seitter said. “It’s a coordinated effort.”

Employees who are still working at NOAA describe feelings of deep anxiety. Their colleagues have been let go unannounced, meaning they have no idea who might simply not show up for work. With their government-issued credit cards frozen, they can’t buy supplies for research projects or travel to retrieve instruments that have been installed at sea. They are scrambling to back up their scientific data, fearful that programs might be shuttered or leases on buildings canceled.

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  • The real issue here seems to be that the stupid people are so sure of themselves while the smart ones are so full of doubt. But hey, he's owning the libs right? And he probably has a box of sharpies somewhere.
  • And how does the redux in NOAA headcount impact your investing?
  • @Edmond doesn't seem to feel that accurate weather forecasting has any consequences or impact for agricultural or transportation or aviation or insurance or construction or emergency financial operations. Maybe he thinks that all of that weather info comes from Fox "News". Or the Easter Bunny.
  • Old Joe, you presume to infer a hidden message. I asked clear, unambigous question.

    If the answer is: "It didn't affect my investing" in any way, just say so.
  • Right Edmond- There's certainly no investing connection to agricultural or transportation or aviation or insurance or construction or emergency financial operations. How silly of me to think so.
  • The question stands unanswered....
    NOAA's 20% redux in force apparently didn't change your investing one iota. ??

    I mean a thread is supposed to be a conversation, not a monologue... (or is it?)
  • Well Edmond, why don't you just explain to us exactly why accurate weather forecasts have no investing connection to agricultural or transportation or aviation or insurance or construction or emergency financial operations.
  • At the least, add more dollars to your home insurance and food budget. Hopefully, you will recoup a few pennies on the trickle down.
  • Old_Joe said:

    Well Edmond, why don't you just explain to us exactly why accurate weather forecasts have no investing connection to agricultural or transportation or aviation or insurance or construction or emergency financial operations.

    Ya see, I didn't start the thread, I am simply reacting to it, and engage in a discussion which you began, presumably because it was relevant to, oh, investing...

    But maybe its not relevant at all?

  • edited March 11
    Yes Edmond, we all know that you didn't start the thread, and of course you are welcome to react to it. Your reaction is pretty obvious- you challenge the relevancy to investing.

    OK, that's fine... can you please explain why it isn't relevant to investing? It's hard to "engage in a discussion" if you can't explain your position.
  • "NOAA's work significantly impacts investing through weather forecasting, climate monitoring, and fisheries management, all of which influence industries like agriculture, transportation, insurance, and coastal development. Understanding NOAA's data, forecasts, and research can help investors make informed decisions, particularly in sectors vulnerable to weather and climate events.

    Here's how NOAA's work affects investing:

    Weather Forecasting and Severe Weather Warnings:
    NOAA's National Weather Service (NWS) provides vital weather forecasts and warnings, crucial for industries like agriculture (planting, harvesting), transportation (flights, shipping), and insurance.
    Accurate forecasts reduce damages from storms, impacting insurance claims and property values, allowing for more efficient operation of key industries.
    Severe weather warnings can cause short-term disruptions, potentially impacting stock prices of companies operating in affected areas, but also opportunities for companies that benefit from disaster relief.

    Climate Change Monitoring and Research:
    NOAA's climate data and research are essential for businesses to adapt to climate change impacts, such as sea-level rise, extreme weather events, and ocean acidification.
    These changes can influence long-term investments in renewable energy (offshore wind, solar), infrastructure (dams, coastal defenses), and agriculture (crop diversification).

    Fisheries Management:
    NOAA's fisheries management programs impact businesses in the seafood industry, including fishing companies, processors, and retailers.
    NOAA's stock assessments and regulations influence the sustainability and availability of seafood, impacting profitability and supply chain stability.
    NOAA's work also supports the "blue economy" (ocean-based industries), which includes tourism, shipping, and renewable energy.

    Coastal Resilience and Habitat Restoration:
    NOAA's efforts to protect and restore coastal habitats are essential for protecting coastal ecosystems that support tourism and fisheries.
    These efforts help reduce vulnerabilities of coastal communities and infrastructure to climate impacts, which in turn protects businesses and investments in these regions.
    NOAA's National Ocean Service (NOS) and National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) offer funding opportunities for coastal resilience projects and habitat restoration.

    Examples of NOAA's Impact on Investing:

    Enabling Infrastructure Investments:
    NOAA data helps assess risks associated with infrastructure projects, allowing investors to make more informed decisions on investments in coastal regions.
    Supporting the Renewable Energy Industry:
    NOAA supports offshore wind energy projects, which requires information about marine environment conditions, wave height and direction, etc.

    Supporting Small Business Innovation:
    NOAA's SBIR program provides funding for small businesses to innovate in weather, climate, and ocean research, which can drive commercialization of new technologies.
    Helping to Predict Climate Impacts:
    NOAA's climate models and projections inform investors about the potential risks and opportunities of different climate scenarios.

    Supporting the Blue Economy:
    NOAA supports the development of a blue economy, which includes ocean-based industries like fishing, aquaculture, and tourism, which have significant economic value."
  • edited March 11
    @Old_Joe - you know these trolls never answer a direct question. They just come here to throw up a bunch of random crap they heard on Fox or Breitbart or whatever to see if anything sticks. They are void of original thought or even common sense. They never discuss, they just want to own.
  • @Mark- Yes, that's been obvious for a long time. But if Edmond thinks that he can come here and get away with that line of BS he has another think coming. Thanks, Mark- I appreciate the backup.
  • definition of reactionary

    Someone is seriously posing the question whether weather expertise cuts will ultimately have an effect on corporate profits?
  • Well, I really don't know about "serious". With someone like Edmond it's hard to know if he is a complete moron who actually believes that stuff or if he is just a troll trying to start trouble. (I suppose that "all of the above is possible too.)

    He certainly isn't much for having "discussions" though, is he? Kind of short on facts.
  • edited March 12
    :)
  • edited March 12
    Eliminating NOAA would force everyone who currently gets reliable and free to inexpensive weather info to pay to play. More risks related to making "climate change" illegal in public discourse: Companies could be compelled by executive order to not take climate change into account in corporate decisions. This would really mess up insurers, among others (though they could just raise rates indicrimiately, or redline more states like they do with CA and FL.) Another example is the Jan 20 executive order cancelling offshore wind leases and ordering a "review" of all other wind projects. Even oil producers could get screwed: One of the many new cognitive dissonances is the desire to rebuild the Keystone XL, which is designed to transport Canadian crude, which given the current trade war is not financially feasible. We have replaced the left wing nanny state with a right wing nanny state.

    Investing change example? I switched my VDE holding from "long term holding" to a short term "buy on dip, sell more on peaks" kind of thing. It's been pretty much flat since 2022 but pays a 3-ish% dividend; this strategy will let me gradually decrease my holding in a slightly more tax efficient manner. Oil company boards are fools, borrowing money to pay big dividends, extracting more when that means flooding the market with crude. Sold my XOM and CVX back in 2023 and 24, they have been flat, and once could argue their dividends are unsustainable.
  • edited March 12
    NOAA is crucial to maintain safety warning ahead before disaster strikes. When the western states are have longer wildfire season and higher occurrences, that is Mother Nature. Same goes to hurricanes in the southeast region.

    The finance impact is higher insurance cost. Many large insurance companies simply stop writing new insurance policy in those state such as California. In some high risk locations, the policy cost skyrocketed. Real estate value of coastal Florida are impacted from the hurricane insurance. As an investor, climate change has a direct and substantial cost to the bottom line of the insurance companies and your investment.
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