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13 Aug. 2020: More from the Orange Abortion at 1600

CrashCrash
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HEADLINE: (WWLP:) Pres. Trump admits he’s blocking postal cash to stop mail-in votes.
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump frankly acknowledged Thursday that he’s starving the U.S. Postal Service of money in order to make it harder to process an expected surge of mail-in ballots, which he worries could cost him the election.
https://www.wwlp.com/watch-live/pres-trump-to-hold-thursday-evening-briefing/

I suppose we should have expected this? I suppose the military will have to escort him away. Unbelievable, traitorous crap. It's not a disagreement over policy. It's blackmail.
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  • PopTartPopTart
    edited August 2020
    The Postmaster General (Louis DeJoy) is a recent Trump appointee and Trump ally. He has never worked for the USPS (unlike the 4 previous Postmaster Generals) and has been a generous donor to Republicans. At the time of his appointment he was overseeing fundraising for the RNC and has donated more than $1.2 million to the Trump Victory Fund.

    Installing a loyalist like DeJoy as Postmaster General, as millions of voters are relying on the USPS for voting, is another way that Trump could suppress voting in November.

    https://www.google.co.th/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1234125
  • CrashCrash
    And can the House and Senate do NOTHING about this, apart from sending him strongly worded letters? My next thought is: how do WE, the American public, protect ourselves against such completely TRAITOROUS CRAP in the future?
  • davidrmorandavidrmoran
    #urinetrouble

    one lives in hope
  • MarkMark
    edited August 2020
    A "Go Fund Me" page perhaps. I'm also good with another round of the impeachment process.
  • Old_JoeOld_Joe
    And where exactly are all of our vaunted "checks and balances"? Evidently even the founding fathers, who thought that they had seen it all and tried their best to prevent the future destruction of their work, couldn't imagine all of this.
  • WABACWABAC
    Old_Joe said:

    And where exactly are all of our vaunted "checks and balances"? Evidently even the founding fathers, who thought that they had seen it all and tried their best to prevent the future destruction of their work, couldn't imagine all of this.

    They didn't privatize the Post Office. It took later, smarter, people to do that.

    But it was typically a sinecure for good party members,
  • PopTartPopTart
    This article further explains this “national emergency”:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/13/trumps-attack-postal-service-is-now-national-emergency/
  • expatsp
    I think Pelosi won't give him a stimulus deal without funding for the post office. I also don't think this is going to play well with the public. People like getting their mail on time. They usually like postal workers too.
  • WABACWABAC
    I don't know how it is in other states. But in Arizona I have the option to drop off my advance ballot at designated polling stations, or places like city hall. IIRC I had the same option in California.

    Folks that are worried about this should check into their local options.
  • CrashCrash
    Old_Joe said:

    And where exactly are all of our vaunted "checks and balances"? Evidently even the founding fathers, who thought that they had seen it all and tried their best to prevent the future destruction of their work, couldn't imagine all of this.

    truth.
  • CrashCrash
    Yes, HI will have drop-off boxes, too. But that should be an afterthought, were it not for the Orange Traitor.
  • WABACWABAC
    Crash said:

    Yes, HI will have drop-off boxes, too. But that should be an afterthought, were it not for the Orange Traitor.

    The Post Office has done a fine job in my experience. I relied on them a lot in my last "career." And it worked out as well, or better, than the alternatives. But they do make mistakes from time to time.

    Since I have the local option that by-passes the Post Office I choose to take it. If there is a subsequent issue with my ballot I know exactly who to talk to. I can actually check on line to see if the county has received my ballot. That only works if I vote early.

    Whether I drive to a designated election spot, or my local PO is about the same distance.

    That's just the way I roll regardless of the party in power. My wife leaves stuff in the box for our mail carrier to pick up. I take stuff to the PO.

    I have no doubt recent events have increased the rate at which our first Post Master General spins in his grave.

    "A republic. If you can keep it."


  • CrashCrash
    edited August 2020
    I thought this reference above was to the pee-tape which the Russians are holding over the Orange Traitor. As for voting early, I wonder whether all those early votes will matter--- in light of the outrageous lawsuits--- plural--- being filed by the tRumpster and the RNC--- about invalidating all ballots without a postmark. Typically, early ballots by mail are sent on without a postmark. Total, childish, traitorous shenanigans. I truly hope that by subjecting the country to this crap, we will look back and see that it was the death-throes of the Repugnant Party. The Party of Lincoln has been morphed into the Traitorous Trump Cult.
    https://twitter.com/lindyli/status/1294065892305895425?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
  • davfordavfor
    edited August 2020
    New Jersey just announced it will use a hybrid system. Ballots will be mailed to voters. They can either return them by mail or drop them off at secure drop boxes. This system provides a work around to potential problems with USPS. Oregon, where I live, has had a similar system in place for decades. As an Oregon website states:
    The ballot return envelope can be stamped and mailed or dropped off at any official drop box ​across the state. If a voter casts their ballot after the Wednesday before an election, the ballot should be left at a drop box site to ensure it's counted.
    https://reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-elections-new/new-jersey-to-give-voters-in-person-mail-in-option-in-november-election-governor-says-idUSKCN25A1VW?il=0

    https://sos.oregon.gov/voting/pages/voteinor.aspx
  • sma3
    I have discovered a wonderful daily blog on politics from a BU professor Heather Cox Richardson

    Letters from an American Short concise with links to document everything she reports.

    https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/about

    https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/august-13-2020

    I think to support the post office we should all go buy a lifetime's worth of forever stamps.
  • royal4
    edited August 2020
    re: pee pee tape -- Cohen has a book coming out and he talks about golden showers in Las Vegas. Once a rumor (Russia) twice (Las Vegas) makes you wonder what he's into. Actually I don't care...personal life is personal life...to each his own yada yada yada ....I don't like him because he's a liar and an idiot.
  • royal4
    I've seen several posts by USPS employees saying they'll work unpaid overtime if they have to to get all ballots delivered on time.
  • royal4
    edited August 2020
    I had a long discussion with someone over absentee vs mail in and they were trying to say there is high voter fraud. I told them it doesn't exist and pointed to a few studies about it. A PA judge just told the GOP to provide proof of mail in voter fraud because I guess they're fighting it in PA... should be interesting what they come back with. I have no problem with just absentee ( you have to request ballot) but my concern is the cost of printing and mailing millions of ballots when many will wind up in the garbage, not voter fraud.
  • rforno

    Supposedly Tweety Amin semi-walked back his USPS remarks yesterday, but I doubt anyone's believing it.

    He'll do anything to remain in office b/c the minute he leaves, he's facing criminal (and civil) charges and likely jail time. He clearly is in desperation mode now.
  • PopTartPopTart
    Tweety Amin is far more interested in suppressing votes than suppressing the virus ...
  • rforno

    Yup. It's all about him and avoiding a) embarrassment at 'losing', b) seeing his tax records released, and c) prison.
    PopTart said:

    Tweety Amin is far more interested in suppressing votes than suppressing the virus ...

  • davfordavfor
    Trump is not going to change before election day. What makes sense is for states to implement programs and procedures to maximize the chance that their election processes are up to the challenge.
    The Postal Service has warned states that it may not be able to meet their deadlines for delivering last-minute mail-in ballots, another development in a growing controversy over the new postmaster general’s handling of vote-by-mail operations as President Trump continues to rail against the practice.

    As many states turn to vote-by-mail operations to carry out elections safely amid the coronavirus pandemic, Mr. Marshall urged them to require residents request ballots at least 15 days before an election — rather than just the four days allowed under some state laws.

    “This mismatch creates a risk that ballots requested near the deadline under state law will not be returned by mail in time to be counted,” Mr. Marshall wrote.

    ....some states, including Pennsylvania and Michigan, have called for extensions on counting late-arriving ballots in the November election.

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    https://nytimes.com/live/2020/08/14/us/election-biden-vs-trump#the-postal-service-said-delays-could-affect-multiple-states

    https://washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/usps-states-delayed-mail-in-ballots/2020/08/14/64bf3c3c-dcc7-11ea-8051-d5f887d73381_story.html

  • CrashCrash
    ok, thanks.
  • rforno

    Now he says he'll sign USPS funding if the Dems make concessions in the Covid negotiations.

    In normal times, that would be termed political dealmaking and posturing. These days, given the situation, it sounds like extortion --- and totally par for the course for this desperate idiot's quest to do whatever he can in order to stay in office and avoid prison, legal embarrassment, run out the statute of limitations, or worse.
  • CrashCrash
    edited August 2020
    +1. Extortion, indeed.
  • Old_JoeOld_Joe
    I'm very curious as to exactly who in the Post Office is generating these warnings. If it's at the direction of the new Trump appointee, Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, it would seem to be counter to Trump's best interests in that the warnings should stimulate the various states to reconfigure their voting systems so as to avoid problems.

    If it's not at the direction of DeJoy, how many more days would the individual(s) involved expect to remain employed by the USPS?
  • WABACWABAC
    Old_Joe said:

    I'm very curious as to exactly who in the Post Office is generating these warnings. If it's at the direction of the new Trump appointee, Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, it would seem to be counter to Trump's best interests in that the warnings should stimulate the various states to reconfigure their voting systems so as to avoid problems.

    If it's not at the direction of DeJoy, how many more days would the individual(s) involved expect to remain employed by the USPS?

    Lots of people work at the PO. It would be hard to track down all of them even if the top rungs were crammed with DeJoy loyalists. The union people act like they are mostly immune. So I'm guessing most local management aren't on board with DeJoy even a little.
  • AnnaAnna
    edited August 2020
    Oh well, I think I will complete my conversion of paying bills to completely internet banking. And I do wonder if Caremark will increase its assumed delivery time.

    I live in WA where they were already voting by mail when I moved here 10 years ago. I assume the ballots will arrive before the counting is closed out and, if there is a problem, I will just have to turn it in by the substitute they devise. If the post office refuses to give us our ballots in the first place and sits on them at a sorting center, I'm not sure what I can do. There are very few polling sites left around here.
  • Ben
    How can it be that the United States Postal Service is easily capable of receiving and delivering so many millions of tax returns to the IRS (and they handled even more of them before filing on the internet was a possibility) but when the envelope is a ballot it is incapable of dealing with so many?

  • ronorono
    Howdy folks,

    First. With regard to the intentional slowdown at the USPS, HAND DELIVER YOUR BALLOT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. If you can't, and must vote my mail, vote as soon as you receive the ballot and mail it RFN. Don't dilly dally over down ballot elections. You do not have that luxury this time. [sort of like to the progressive end of the democratic party - 'er, the revolution can wait, right now we have a problem Houston'.

    Second. As for voting by mail. In Michigan, every registered voter receives a ballot request form. If you fill it out and sign it and return it, they compare it against the voting rolls and your signature, and if everything matches, they send you a ballot. You vote and sign it and return it where there repeat the process of comparing to your signature on record. If it matches, they accept it and mark you as having voted. There are so many checks and balances that if you feel it's somehow risky to vote by mail, you MUST distrust all your election officials. If this is where you're at - you have a serious problem and voting in person won't help. We have people from both parties that are election inspectors - CHECKING EVERYTHING.

    Third. What you're seeing is the tactics of voter suppression. This has long been the MO of the Republican party because in a democracy, the most votes is supposed to win. If it's fair. Ergo, they pull every dirty trick in the book. Closing inner city polling stations, changing the ID requirements on the eve of the election, gerrymandering, etc. Ah, but these are but tactics. This year, there is a wrinkle called Covid-19. What you're seeing now is the strategic move of genocide of the people that are either of color or political persuasion to vote against the President. By forcing inner city residents to vote in person at a reduced number of voting sites during a pandemic is intentional murder. It's simply start of the Trump Holocaust. And don't blow me off people, you're seeing where Hitler was in 1935. If Trump is reelected, America is dead and the killings will start in earnest. Only Whites allowed.

    and so it goes,

    peace and wear the damn mask,

    rono



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