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FBI Raids Mar-a-Lago

edited August 2022 in Off-Topic
Reported 1 Hour Ago / STORY

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  • “They even broke into my safe!”

    Too large to just cart away?
  • "They even broke into my safe!” Awwww, poor baby!
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    Old_Joe said:

    "They even broke into my safe!” Awwww, poor baby!

    Looking for porn?
  • I can't believe the FBI was so rude they didn't even call to make an appointment first.
  • @hank- when it comes to Trump you don't need to look for porn- it's staring you right in the face.
  • edited August 2022
    I do think a couple knocks on the ol’ pipe would have been appropriate here (or 3 on the ceiling).


  • edited August 2022
    Who can it be now? Oh, and don't forget Mr. Orange; we're getting your tax documents, too.
    XOXOXO Signed: The American Public
    Have a nice day.
  • Hopefully, the disenchanted, wandering and aimless Repub's will awaken by November.
    A Lament for them.....

  • The excretory matter doth strike the whirling blades.
  • Brethren, let us pray...
  • hank said:

    I do think a couple knocks on the ol’ pipe would have been appropriate here (or 3 on the ceiling).

    Fun to hear that one again.
  • edited August 2022
    In other news, the FBI is also unfairly picking on a poor insurrectionist Congresscritter who is outraged, yes he says, outraged!
  • edited August 2022
    AndyJ said:

    hank said:

    I do think a couple knocks on the ol’ pipe would have been appropriate here (or 3 on the ceiling).

    Fun to hear that one again.
    Glad you liked. You know, I probably listened to that song a hundred times when it came out back in the 70s. A lot of radio play than. But I never paid attention to the lyrics. Than happened to read them along with the music a few days ago. Really funnier than hell!

    A song that’s all about “communication” … LOL

  • The former POTUS has a long history of evading responsibility for his actions.
    He is the true "Teflon Don."
    With several concurrent investigations underway, his luck may be changing.


  • Trump just took the Fifth in a NY business practices deposition.
  • Total slime...
  • edited August 2022
    AndyJ said:

    Trump just took the Fifth in a NY business practices deposition.

    In 1926, F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote that the rich “are different from you and me,” and Ernest Hemingway supposedly retorted, “Yes, they have more money.”

    If you live in a clownish home and have the sleaziest of “friends” I guess you can get away with anything. Sad commentary on jurisprudence in this country. Obviously he’s expecting some type of “in home” confinement if convicted, followed by a quick pardon by the next R Prz.

    Hell, DeSantis or somebody else could campaign on a pledge to free the “incarcerated” ex-Pres. Nothing sells in this country like an underdog. By than T will have repented of all former sins and be carrying around the same Bible he held in front of the nearest church the day his military confronted a bunch of peaceful protestors near the White House.

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    PS - I can’t help contrasting this life style than that of former President Jimmy Carter. A real credit to the human race …

  • edited August 2022
    Jimmy C. and Trump: careful there, @Hank. Considering them both in the same sentence could result in fatal whiplash.
  • edited August 2022
    This guy previously stated that taking the Fifth amendment was practically an admission of wrongdoing.
    Here's what he said during the 2016 presidential campaign:
    “The mob takes the Fifth,” he said at an Iowa campaign rally in September.
    “If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

    Why indeed...

  • It was noted long ago that his lawyers insisted (not recommended, INSISTED) that he take the fifth because they knew that he is incapable of consistently telling the truth, and they knew that he would trap himself with his lies.
  • And here that's confirmed, by a report in The Guardian:
    After Trump’s deposition concluded, one of Trump’s lawyers, Ronald Fischetti, confirmed that the former president had answered just one question – to state his name – and offered a statement calling the inquiry “the greatest witch-hunt in the history of our country”.

    According to the New York Times, Trump accused the attorney general of having “openly campaigned on a policy of destroying me”.

    Beyond that, from 9.30am to about 3pm, Trump had repeated the words “same answer” to every question about “valuations and golf clubs and all that stuff”, Fischetti told the Times.

    The attorney added that Trump’s decision to take the fifth had been made shortly before the interview started. “He absolutely wanted to testify and it took some very strong persuasion by me and some others to convince him,” Fischetti added.
  • Right, to save their skins, compulsive liars are best advised to avoid saying anything under oath except "Fifth Amendment" or "I don't recall."
  • edited August 2022
    Information on Nuclear Weapons Among Items Sought in Search

    “FBI agents who descended upon Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate were searching for classified documents concerning nuclear weapons that the former president was suspected of improperly removing from the White House.”

    LINK
  • Here's more from the Guardian-

    Excerpts from the Guardian report:
    FBI agents were looking for secret documents about nuclear weapons among other classified material when they searched Donald Trump’s home on Monday, it has been reported.

    The Washington Post cited people familiar with the investigation as saying nuclear weapons documents were thought to be in the trove the FBI was hunting in Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort. They did not specify what kind of documents or whether they referred to the US arsenal or another country’s.

    The report came hours after the attorney general, Merrick Garland, said he had personally authorised the government request for a search warrant and revealed that the justice department had asked a Florida court for the warrant to be unsealed, noting that Trump himself had made the search public.

    The court told the government to present its motion to Trump’s lawyers and to report back by 3pm on Friday on whether Trump objected to the warrant being unsealed.

    The suspected presence of nuclear weapons documents at Mar-a-Lago could explain why Garland took such a politically charged step as ordering FBI agents into a former president’s house, as retrieving them would be seen as a national security priority.

    Trump was particularly fixated on the US nuclear arsenal while he was in the White House, and boasted about being privy to highly secret information.

    In the summer of 2017 he told US military leaders he wanted an arsenal comparable to its cold war peak, which would have involved a ten-fold increase, a demand that reportedly led the then secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, describe him as a “fucking moron”. Trump publicly threatened to obliterate both North Korea and Afghanistan.

    In his book on the Trump presidency, Rage, Bob Woodward quoted the former president as telling him: “We have stuff that you haven’t even seen or heard about. We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before. There’s nobody – what we have is incredible.”

    Woodward said he was later told the US did indeed have an unspecified new weapons system, and officials were “surprised” that Trump had disclosed the fact.

    Among the nuclear documents that Trump would routinely have had access to would be the classified version of the Nuclear Posture Review, about US capabilities and policies.
  • Where I fear this is leading …

    Text of full article WSJ August 12

    Title: Man Who Brandished Rifle at Cincinnati Office Office Killed in Standoff

    “A man armed with a rifle tried to break into the security screening area of the FBI’s Cincinnati field office before fleeing the scene and being killed in a gunbattle with police, officials said. The man attempted to breach the screening area at the office Thursday morning, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said. His entry set off an alarm, and armed agents responded. He first fired a nail gun at law enforcement, then brandished an AR-15-style rifle before fleeing in a Ford Crown Victoria, according to law enforcement officials. He was reportedly wearing body armor. The man, identified as 42-year-old Ricky Shiffer, had possible ties to extremist groups, according to a law-enforcement official. Those ties could include affiliation with the Proud Boys, the official said. The Proud Boys played a role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. After the man attacked the FBI office, he drove onto Interstate 71 and was chased by the Ohio State Highway Patrol. Mr. Shiffer fired at police during the chase, according to the highway patrol. After the chase, he exited the highway, got out of his car and shot at police, who fired back. No police or bystanders were injured in the gunfight. Local, state and federal authorities cordoned off the area in rural Ohio and Mr. Shiffer was in a standoff with officers for hours before he was shot and killed as police attempted to take him into custody. Police said he raised a gun in their direction. Police didn’t comment on Mr. Shiffer’s likely motivation or goals.
  • edited August 2022
    This is my fear as well.
    Many supporters of former POTUS believe the "Big Lie" and think this FBI investigation was politically motivated.
    Alarmingly, some supporters are extremely violent and present a clear and present danger to society.
  • This is my fear as well.
    Many supporters of former POTUS believe the "Big Lie" and think this FBI investigation was politically motivated.
    Alarmingly, some supporters are extremely violent and present a clear and present danger to society.

    Yep - There’s a lot of desperate angry disconsolate people in the country today. Frustrated and unhappy with their own lives and hoping for a “savior” to come along - somebody “out of the mold.” I see it on a personal level and suspect you do as well. I’d credit this phenomenon to (1) a lessening of educational standards so that these folks aren’t equipped to examine issues critically or with any historical perspective and (2) a loss of good paying jobs with benefits for many non-college educated workers. I don’t think that second one was inevitable. It was very much related to corporate greed and profit motive,

    Ray Dalio has been preaching about this approaching societal catastrophe for many years. He credits the issue to wealth disparity. I agree, but think my stated reasons zero-in a bit more on the issue.

  • @hank- I'm inclined to agree with you on the causes for much of this stuff.
  • Does anyone think that Garland wouldn't have risked this search or raid if he wasn't 1K% positive of the results? I'm also curious to know why Trump didn't object to releasing the search warrant contents.
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