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  • edited January 2017
    Try this for part 2:

    http://www.barrons.com/articles/2017-roundtable-part-2-manual-for-a-mixed-up-market-1484976857

    Nevermind, this doesn't work. Sometimes I am able to copy the title of the article and paste it into my browser (Safari) search box and come up with an unrestricted source. That's how I got to the link I posted. I have no clue why it didn't work this time.
  • It may be because I used to subscribe to Barron's, but none of the links posted by MFOers work for me.
  • edited January 2017
    BenWP said:

    It may be because I used to subscribe to Barron's, but none of the links posted by MFOers work for me.

    Ted's links seemed to work for some - but not for me. I subscribe to print. I could get it free online but won't give the buzzards my email for fear they'd bombard me with promotions. I read the first installment and am looking forward to reading the second.

    Part I Participants: Gundlach, Black, Zulauf, Gabelli, Witmer, Brian Rogers, Schafer, Cohen, William Priest.

    Gundlach received his share of accolades for having called the election nearly a year in advance, getting the Fed moves about right and coming closest on where the stock market would end up in 2016. Gabelli seemed gleeful at the prospects of a President Trump who he thinks exemplifies the best in capitalism. None of the participants were very optimistic regarding 2017. Gabelli, perhaps, seemed the most optimistic of the lot, but even he suggested only single digit gains. Cohen was a bit positive, but hedged a lot, and wasn't pleased Trump had won. Rogers, Chairman of T. Rowe Price, liked large caps best and was adamant against buying small caps at current valuations. Said something like: "Anything but small cap."

    All seemed negative on international equities out of concerns about a strengthening dollar and possible trade restrictions. Also, a lot of discussion was about the growing political unrest in Europe - in large measure related to immigration. The consensus seemed to be that the European Union would not survive and also that populist movements were poised to take control in multiple countries. Not a pretty picture for Europe. Japan was mentioned favorably by some as a good place to invest.

    One dominate theme all seemed to agree on was that interest rates have bottomed. Most thought future increases would be gradual. Some noted that Trump's proposed stimulus is coming at an unprecedented time (compared to past economic cycles) as the economy is running pretty hot right now and some saw friction arising between Trump and the current Federal Reserve. (Surprise, Surprise). Most believe inflation was picking up and that commodities would do well going forward. Personally I'm more reticent on that last point as commodities have already had a pretty good run. Not much was said about the metals. One member suggested gold's path of least resistance was down. I missed Marc Faber. Always found his odd man out perspectives interesting.

    Sorry the links didn't work.
  • @BenWP, open a different browser and try, also open one you regularly use in stealth mode ('incognito' etc. -- check the Alt-F dropdown choices)
    @hank, you know you can block their promotions easily, labeling as spam, or asking to unsubscribe, etc.
  • I did try those two alternatives, but no luck. It's OK, I stopped paying the fat man for a reason.
  • BenWP said:

    I did try those two alternatives, but no luck. It's OK, I stopped paying the fat man for a reason.

    .....Me, too. Pay-wall. But I appreciate the attempt to share this, anyhow.


  • sorry, my bad; I must've slipped in momentarily (and uniquely) b/w cookie cracks...

    So do an incognito-google of this, in quotes:

    Mario Gabelli offer investment picks for the new year

    Generally this sort of thing works, as others here know; find an exact quote and pursue exactly.
  • edited January 2017
    http://www.barrons.com/video/4-stock-picks-from-mario-gabelli/2FA8FF16-975B-4000-8698-318E0B3129DC.html
    Gundlach recommends India for long-term, Japan for shorter term. I own a lot in TRP. So I looked at (Japan) PRJPX. Going back to last January at this time, it's already up by 24.31%. Too late for me? I plan to get out of my latest mistake, which is Real Estate, and would love to know what you all think about PRJPX as a 1-year trade, and beyond. Thanks.
  • Crash, I have been reading more and more about the possibility of a USA-Japan-UK trade partnership. It would not be formal like NAFTA etc, but basically a cooperation between the three major economies of the developed world. We already see President Trump and PM May meeting earlier today and they get along well. PM Abe of Japan is also very eager to meet President Trump.

    In addition, Japan has announced that India will be a major trade partner with them. This was in reaction to increased tensions with China. So I personally would have Japan as a long term holding. You should check your international funds to see how much exposure to Japan they have. That might give you an idea of how much to put into PRJPX.

    India will still be volatile for some time in my opinion. You might have enough India exposure in any EM funds you hold.
  • edited January 2017
    @JohnChisum: I'm much obliged! I think it will be the most prudent thing to wait for the 90-day limit, and hold onto TRREX until then, avoiding the 2% in-and-out fee. After that, I'll move the proceeds into PRJPX. ...I just X-Rayed all my stuff at Morningstar, and I'm holding only 1.42% of portfolio right now in Japan. So I guess there's plenty of room for me to dump the 3.45% of total portf. which now sits in TRREX into PRJPX. (As of today, I'm already DOWN by -2.72% in TRREX since I got into it, just after the New Year, 2017.:( )
  • Crash , fwiw, I've given up trying to guess the region or country or sector that will do well in the next 12 months. I've decided to leave that to the people (managers) I'm paying through the funds I chose. Not sure what international fund you may be in now, but I can see a fund like PRITX has about 15% in Japan. My international fund, FMIJX, also has 15% in Japan. If that is what they see as appropriate, fine with me.

    Not saying over-weighting a hunch can't be profitable. I just tend to get in late pretty much all the time. When we start to talk about it on MFO, too late. At least that has been my experience. My fund managers seem to do a little better.

    P.S., made the same mistake as you with a small bet on real estate.
  • @Crash & @JohnChisum,

    Vanguard offers VPACX which holds 60 % Japan and has a 2.5% yield.
    Hennessy has two very successful Japan funds that are a bit pricey (ER), HJPNX & HJPSX. HJPSX has out performed (over the last 10 yrs). It holds 60 companies. HJPNX is even more concentrated with only 20 holdings. Compare that to VPACX which holds over 2000 names in its cap weighted index fund.
    Fidelity also offers two Japan funds, FJPNX & FJSCX
    Matthews offers MJFOX (A non starter for Crash)
  • Thanks for the tips, @bee!
  • I see 3% on the 10 year as the top.

    Also:
    "Our panelists have a dark view of developments in Europe, from the spread of populism ..." I guess the will of the people is dangerous.
  • edited January 2017
    DanHardy said:

    "Our panelists have a dark view of developments in Europe, from the spread of populism ..." I guess the will of the people is dangerous.

    @Dan, I didn't get that impression.

    I think the concern was that the European Common Market and cooperation among former rivals has contributed to regional and global prosperity (Airbus Industries for example) and has prevented the type of regional warfare that ravaged Europe during much of the first half of the 20th century. They're not happy to see things trending in the opposite direction.

    They might be wrong. You're welcome to disagree. But that, I think, is different from saying the panelists don't respect the will of the people. Admittedly, semantics contributes to the misunderstanding. Sectarianism, isolationism or militarism are are words that might better represent their concerns.
  • hank said:

    DanHardy said:

    "Our panelists have a dark view of developments in Europe, from the spread of populism ..." I guess the will of the people is dangerous.

    @Dan, I didn't get that impression.

    I think the concern was that the European Common Market and cooperation among former rivals has contributed to regional and global prosperity (Airbus Industries for example) and has prevented the type of regional warfare that ravaged Europe during much of the first half of the 20th century. They're not happy to see things trending in the opposite direction.

    They might be wrong. You're welcome to disagree. But that, I think, is different from saying the panelists don't respect the will of the people. Admittedly, semantics contributes to the misunderstanding. Sectarianism, isolationism or militarism are are words that might better represent their concerns.
    The whole paragraph is quoted below. There are certain words/phrases that the radical left uses to incite fear e.g. populism, right. Trumps win was called a populist win. The very definition of populism is rooted in representing the common people. Now populism is used as a slur.

    Not to introduce politics into this thread but the spread of populism does illustrate a point. If the people in Germany were asked if they wanted millions of un-vetted refuges in their country - the population/common man would have said no. But the non-populist elites did what they wanted.

    "Our panelists have a dark view of developments in Europe, from the spread of populism to the persistence of negative interest rates, and some fear the euro’s days are numbered. In Japan, however, they say the sun is finally rising on equity investors, and opportunities could surface"
  • Trump win "populist?" Makes about as much sense as "alternative facts." He's an oligarch, not a populist. I understand that the association has been made between him and that adjective. I just don't follow the non-sequitur, there.
  • yeah; PK today:
    He’s selected a cabinet of plutocrats, with a labor secretary bitterly opposed to minimum wage hikes. He talks about infrastructure, but the only thing that passes for a plan is a document proposing some tax credits for private investors, which wouldn’t involve much public outlay even if they did lead to new investment (as opposed to giveaways for investment that would have taken place anyway.) He does seem set to blow up the deficit, but via tax cuts for the wealthy; benefits for the poor and middle class seem set for savage cuts. Why, then, does anyone consider him a “populist”? It’s basically all about affect, about coming across as someone who’ll stand up to snooty liberal elitists (and of course validate salt-of-the-earth, working-class racism.)
  • yeah; PK today:
    He’s selected a cabinet of plutocrats, with a labor secretary bitterly opposed to minimum wage hikes. He talks about infrastructure, but the only thing that passes for a plan is a document proposing some tax credits for private investors, which wouldn’t involve much public outlay even if they did lead to new investment (as opposed to giveaways for investment that would have taken place anyway.) He does seem set to blow up the deficit, but via tax cuts for the wealthy; benefits for the poor and middle class seem set for savage cuts. Why, then, does anyone consider him a “populist”? It’s basically all about affect, about coming across as someone who’ll stand up to snooty liberal elitists (and of course validate salt-of-the-earth, working-class racism.)

    Now THAT makes SENSE. What is PK? Paul Krugman?
  • I thought it was Pakistan.
  • Pakistan had entered my mind, too. ;)
  • edited January 2017
    Well Dan. You can burn your copy of Barron's if you feel the use of "populism" in that short paragraph you quoted is intended to incite some type of anti-democratic fervor or left-wing radicalism among the publication's (largely upper income) readers.

    I've re-read the print article - which is about eight pages long. Approximately one page is devoted to Europe. From what I see, the word "populism" is only used once or twice in the entire article. The broader implication is that both the Eurozone and the member nations are becoming fragmented politically and socially. Participants view the rise of a multitude of small but vocal constituencies, ranging from far left to far right with alarm. That increasingly divisive atmosphere is viewed by (essentially all of) the Roundtable participants as not good for business. So, as investors, they're cautious on Europe.

    These folks (Roundtable participants) are interested primarily in making money - not in advancing some hidden political agenda. They're dyed in the wool capitalists ........

    ...... Barron's, The WSJ and the Murdoch family all left-leaning liberals? Mario Gabelli too? Incredulous!


    Edit: Here's Gabelli in Part II - "... in electing Donald Trump, the U.S. is moving away from creeping socialism toward the reinvigoration of capitalism. We are seeing a wave of confidence in America, which will spark a wave of innovation." Happy now?:)
  • Crash said:

    Trump win "populist?" Makes about as much sense as "alternative facts." He's an oligarch, not a populist. I understand that the association has been made between him and that adjective. I just don't follow the non-sequitur, there.

    Google Trump populist for those who disagree with you.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+populist&oq=trump+populist&aqs=chrome..69i57.4911j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    oligarch? you will have to make a case for that.
  • Yeah, the confidence fairy, like Reagan. May it be so. Reinvigoration etc. The current and recent past data are all at odds with the description of slowdown and decline, much less carnage.

    As for populism, looks like you (again) did not read the articles that come up with that googling.
  • edited January 2017

    Yeah, the confidence fairy, like Reagan. May it be so. Reinvigoration etc. The current and recent past data are all at odds with the description of slowdown and decline, much less carnage.

    As for populism, looks like you (again) did not read the articles that come up with that googling.

    Yes, @davidmoran and @DanHardy: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/01/trumps-populism-is-a-fiction/513989/

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oligarchy
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocrat
  • edited January 2017
    Since when did just posting link(s) become intellectual discourse?
    That is really too easy and in a way cowardly i.e. the poster is afraid to commit to a position.

    Even the WP says tells its followers what T is.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-rattles-the-establishment-with-a-populist-inaugural-address-true-to-his-campaign/2017/01/20/f47f261c-df45-11e6-acdf-14da832ae861_story.html?utm_term=.d7cf4795e7a3
  • It's the way some of us (unafraid about taking positions) support assertions, citing those who are informed with detail.
  • edited January 2017
    Duly noted. Yet (excerpt:) "...The irony of Trump’s message, of course, is that as he has begun to put his government together, he has leaned heavily on people who would seem to fit the mold of those he attacked, men and women of wealth and privilege, corporate chieftains and Wall Street figures..."

    I know that "populism" has been associated with his campaign and with his political approach since then. But true to form, he is consistent about being inconsistent. The matrix from which he has ascended is terrifyingly ultra-ultra Right-wing (Bannon, others.) I don't mean intelligently informed conservatism, with which I might associate the likes of George Will, though I mostly disagree with him (except re: baseball.) It's been reported that Trump doesn't read, and he's confirmed that, himself. He knows The Art of the Deal, alright. But so far, his administration is busy thumbing its nose at the world. Alarming.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/opinion/sunday/can-donald-trump-handle-the-truth.html
    And this:
    (Excerpt:) "....A spokesman for Angela Merkel said the German chancellor regretted Trump’s decision to ban citizens of certain countries from entering the US, adding that she had “explained” the obligations of the refugee convention to the new president in a phone call on Saturday..." It doesn't surprise me at all that this new President needed a foreign Head of State to make him aware of this.:(
    LINK: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/29/merkel-explains-geneva-refugee-convention-to-trump-in-phone-call

    This bunch is a new iteration of the Not Ready For Prime Time Players, with apologies to the crew at Saturday Night Live.
  • Crash said:

    Duly noted. Yet (excerpt:) "...The irony of Trump’s message, of course, is that as he has begun to put his government together, he has leaned heavily on people who would seem to fit the mold of those he attacked, men and women of wealth and privilege, corporate chieftains and Wall Street figures..."

    I know that "populism" has been associated with his campaign and with his political approach since then. But true to form, he is consistent about being inconsistent. The matrix from which he has ascended is terrifyingly ultra-ultra Right-wing (Bannon, others.) I don't mean intelligently informed conservatism, with which I might associate the likes of George Will, though I mostly disagree with him (except re: baseball.) It's been reported that Trump doesn't read, and he's confirmed that, himself. He knows The Art of the Deal, alright. But so far, his administration is busy thumbing its nose at the world. Alarming.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/opinion/sunday/can-donald-trump-handle-the-truth.html
    And this:
    (Excerpt:) "....A spokesman for Angela Merkel said the German chancellor regretted Trump’s decision to ban citizens of certain countries from entering the US, adding that she had “explained” the obligations of the refugee convention to the new president in a phone call on Saturday..." It doesn't surprise me at all that this new President needed a foreign Head of State to make him aware of this.:(
    LINK: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/29/merkel-explains-geneva-refugee-convention-to-trump-in-phone-call

    This bunch is a new iteration of the Not Ready For Prime Time Players, with apologies to the crew at Saturday Night Live.

    Looking to put T in the R or conservative box is wrong thinking. That is why you are led to the 'wrong thinking' about him.. If you used the criteria that T couldn't put anyone he spoke poorly against while campaigning; he couldn't put anyone in the cabinet. The consensus is that he has a very competent cabinet. Except for Ben Carson - imho no germane experience.

    Reading etc ... who cares. Those are a criteria Ds use to put him down.

    Immigration - it is a temp move with the countries Obama and the congress agreed upon.
    All this vitriol was leveled at many Rs (24 hr news amplifies it).

    Doesn't read, drunk, cocaine - Bush 2

    Remember R. Reagan - many of the same things said about T was said about him.

    All I can say is ... think for yourself, have an open mind, and wait to see the results - they will be no where near the hysteria being put forth.
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