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  • What Blockbuster Automaker Profits Tell Us About The Pandemic Economy
    Following is the complete text from a current NPR financial article.
    The auto industry is roaring back far sooner than expected, in the latest sign of the economy's two-track recovery. Major auto manufacturers have been raking in money this past quarter, as consumers who can afford it show unexpectedly strong appetite for expensive new vehicles.
    Companies like Ford, General Motors, Fiat Chrysler, Daimler and BMW reported impressive earnings in the period between July to September, surpassing their pre-pandemic performance in many key metrics. Honda and Toyota raised their profit forecasts sharply. It's a remarkable turnaround for an industry that, just a few months ago, was facing a grim outlook. Plants around the world were shut down this spring to stop the spread of the coronavirus.
    Carmakers couldn't sell vehicles, because they weren't making any. They were bleeding billions of dollars, and bracing for a recession that would send demand for their products plummeting even after they restarted assembly lines. But then production resumed. And it turns out Americans — those who can still afford new cars, anyway — want new vehicles as badly as ever. Pent-up demand from people who put off purchases earlier in the pandemic was boosted even further by federal stimulus checks and low interest rates.
    "Consumers have proved resilient," says Stephanie Brinley, an analyst with IHS Markit. "They came back to the showrooms as soon as they could."
    It might seem counter-intuitive. Millions of Americans are struggling financially. The U.S. has recovered just over half of the 22 million jobs lost early in the pandemic. But those job losses disproportionately hit lower-income workers, particularly in service industries, and new cars are marketed to higher-earning buyers. The stock market has been soaring, and many well-compensated workers have been able to work from home.
    Instead of experiencing a financial crunch, they might even be saving money by reducing expenditures on things like travel and dining out.
    The spending power of the financially comfortable is powering sales trends in high-end homes as well as new cars.
    Indeed, those buyers showed a strong preference for pricey pick-up trucks and SUVs loaded with premium features, pushing new car transaction prices higher. That's a long-standing trend in American car buying, but it may have been intensified by the pandemic, as financially secure shoppers are less focused on commuter vehicles and thinking more about road trips or leisure.
    The preference for high-cost vehicles means automakers can turn tidy profits even on a smaller number of total sales. Meanwhile, some companies are also seeing a boost from rising used car prices, which provided a cash infusion to their financing arms. Demand in China has also rebounded significantly.
    The result? Ford paid back $15 billion it had borrowed to make it through the pandemic and still had $30 billion in cash left over. General Motors doubled analyst expectations for earnings-per-share in the third quarter. And Fiat Chrysler reported its highest ever quarterly earnings in North America.
    Brinley notes that sales will still be down for the year as a whole, and given the uncertainty about the ongoing pandemic, "there is still opportunity to have difficulty in the next year."
    But the unexpectedly strong performance from automakers in the third quarter helps make up for the losses they suffered earlier in the year. And it's a relief for automakers as they look toward the future, where they have committed to make hefty investments.
    Every major car company is banking on a future in battery-powered vehicles, which requires an expensive transformation in their industry. And that's before you tally up the costs of investing in autonomous vehicles.
    GM CEO Mary Barra emphasized this week that the tremendous amount of cash that GM was earning from full-size trucks and SUVs in North America will allow the company to self-fund its electric vehicle investments, rather than needing to borrow money or seek investors. "We're going to go hard at [electric vehicles]," she said. "The North America performance ... allows us to do that."
    Meanwhile, Tesla, which led the industry in electrification and is popular with luxury car customers, was profitable all year long.
  • $2.50 a Year in Interest? That’s What $5,000 in Savings Gets
    @Catch22 - Thanks. The roof fell in on a lot of stuff in March. I was busy buying up stuff, so didn’t pay much attention to short term losses. TRBUX, the ultra-short, which I also have held from inception, dropped about a dime during that brief period (from its $5.00 peg). It had been very stable for years. Clearly, something was very amiss in the credit markets - which @msf alludes to above. Considering that some equity funds fell 25-35% during March / April, a 9% loss looks tolerable. As I noted earlier, I wouldn’t use this fund as a cash substitute.
    Since when do we consider 15-days to represent “peak to trough” when speaking of mutual funds? Anybody with a 15-30 day time horizon should rush on down to their local bank and deposit said funds in an insured passbook account.
    The magnitude of the short-lived market disruption is summarized well by Wikipedia:
    “The 2020 stock market crash, also referred to as the Coronavirus Crash, was a major and sudden global stock market crash that began on 20 February 2020 and ended on 7 April. The crash was the fastest fall in global stock markets in financial history and the most devastating crash since the Wall Street Crash of 1929.”
  • $2.50 a Year in Interest? That’s What $5,000 in Savings Gets
    “ With the Federal Reserve keeping rates low, home buyers are benefiting. But savers? Their average interest rate is just 0.05 percent.”
    NYT
  • DeForest R. Hinman named portfolio manager of Walthausen Small Cap Value Fund
    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1418191/000141304220000637/walth497pros110420.htm
    497 1 walth497pros110420.htm
    WALTHAUSEN FUNDS
    Walthausen Small Cap Value Fund (WSCVX and WFICX)
    Supplement dated November 4, 2020
    to the Prospectus dated June 1, 2020
    Effective immediately the second paragraph under the heading Management on page 4 of Prospectus is deleted in its entirety and replaced with the following:
    Portfolio Managers
    John B. Walthausen has managed the Fund since its inception in February 2008. Mr. Walthausen is the Chief Investment Officer of the Advisor. Gerard S.E. Heffernan has co-managed the Fund since March 2018. Mr. Heffernan is a portfolio manager for the Advisor. DeForest R. Hinman has co-managed the Fund since November 2020. Mr. Hinman is a portfolio manager for the Advisor.
    Additionally, first paragraph under the heading The Investment Advisor on page 7 of Prospectus is deleted in its entirety and replaced with the following:
    Walthausen & Co., LLC, 2691 Route 9, Suite 102, Malta, NY 12020, is the investment advisor of the Fund and has responsibility for the management of the Fund's affairs, under the supervision of the Fund's Board of Trustees. The Fund's investment portfolio is co-managed on a day-to-day basis by John B. Walthausen, CFA Gerard S.E. Heffernan CFA and DeForest R. Hinman. Mr. Walthausen founded the Advisor in 2007 and is a managing director of the Advisor. Mr. Walthausen is the Chief Investment Officer of the Advisor. Mr. Walthausen has managed the Fund since its inception. Mr. Walthausen's formal education includes a BA from Kenyon College and a MBA from New York University. Mr. Heffernan joined the Advisor in February 2018. His involvement in the investment industry spans over 25 years, including 15 years at Lord Abbett & Co., where he was a partner and portfolio manager specializing in small cap value equities. From June 2013 until February 2018, he was self-employed managing his own portfolio. Mr. Heffernan received a B.S. in Business Administration from Villanova University. DeForest R. Hinman has been a principal of Walthausen & Co. since the firm’s inception in September, 2007. Before his appointment as a co-portfolio manager, he served previously as a co-portfolio manager of the Walthausen Small Cap Value Fund and Walthausen Select Value Fund in 2017, and retains his position as Director of Research for Walthausen & Co. DeForest’s formal education includes a B.S. in Business Administration (Summa Cum Laude) from State University of NY at Albany and a M.B.A. in Finance from the State University at Albany.
    This supplement and the Prospectus dated June 1, 2020 provide the information a prospective investor ought to know before investing and should be retained for future reference. The prospectus has been filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and can be obtained without charge by calling the Fund at 1-888-925-8428 or by visiting the Fund’s website at www.walthausenfunds.com.
  • T. Rowe Price Spectrum Income Fund change in expense fee
    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/808303/000174177320003154/c497.htm
    (see link for table also)
    497 1 c497.htm SPI STAT STICKER 11-4-20
    T. Rowe Price Spectrum Income Fund
    Supplement to Prospectus Dated May 1, 2020
    At a meeting held on October 26, 2020, the fund’s Board of Directors approved an amended and restated investment management agreement, which will result in changes to the fund’s overall expense structure, as described below.
    The changes to the fund’s expense structure are subject to shareholders approving the fund’s amended and restated investment management agreement. Shareholders of the fund at the close of business on the record date, November 30, 2020, will have the opportunity to vote on a proposal to approve the amended and restated investment management agreement. It is anticipated that proxy materials and voting instructions will be mailed to shareholders of record beginning on January 4, 2021, and a special shareholder meeting will be held on February 10, 2021. If the proposal is approved by a majority of the fund’s shareholders, the changes to the fund’s expense structure are expected to take place in mid- to late March 2021.
    The fund does not currently charge a management fee. However, the fund incurs acquired fund fees and expenses, which represent the fund’s proportionate share of the expenses of the underlying T. Rowe Price Funds in which it invests (Underlying Funds). In addition, the fund passes through its direct operating expenses to its Underlying Funds and the fund effectively does not directly pay any operating expenses.
    If shareholders approve the proposal, it is anticipated that in mid- to late March 2021, the fund will begin charging an all-inclusive management fee of 0.62% based on the fund’s average daily net assets. The all-inclusive management fee will cover investment management and all of the fund’s operating expenses except for interest; expenses related to borrowings, taxes, and brokerage; nonrecurring, extraordinary expenses; and any acquired fund fees and expenses.
    The fund currently invests in the Investor Class of its Underlying Funds. Effective on the date that the fund begins charging an all-inclusive management fee, the fund will end the pass-through of its direct operating expenses to its Underlying Funds and will convert its Investor Class shares of each Underlying Fund to Z Class shares. T. Rowe Price is contractually obligated to waive and/or bear all of the Z Class’ expenses, other than interest; expenses related to borrowings, taxes, and brokerage; and nonrecurring, extraordinary expenses. As a result, the fund’s total acquired fund fees and expenses associated with investing in the Underlying Funds’ Z Classes are expected to be less than 0.01%.
    If shareholders approve the proposal, the prospectus will be further supplemented with more details regarding the changes to the expense structure prior to its implementation. However, the following changes to the prospectus are effective immediately:
    Under “Principal Investment Strategies” in section 1, there are no changes to the investment ranges set forth in the “Asset Allocation Ranges for Underlying Funds” table. However, the T. Rowe Price U.S. Treasury Intermediate Fund has changed its name to the T. Rowe Price U.S. Treasury Intermediate Index Fund and the T. Rowe Price U.S. Treasury Long-Term Fund has changed its name to the T. Rowe Price U.S. Treasury Long-Term Index Fund.
  • Morgan Stanley Global Opportunity (MGGPX) to close to new investors
    Morgan Stanley funds currently managed by Kristian Heugh:
    Actually, these are all the share classes that he manages. I've grouped the list by funds so that this is clearer. Also, the H share class is defunct, as is an entire fund (Opportunity Portfolio).

    Morgan Stanley Institutional Advantage Fund

    http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=MAPPX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Advantage Portfolio Class A (since 12/28/2010) MAPPX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Advantage Portfolio Class C (since 12/28/2010) MSPRX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Advantage Portfolio Class I (since 12/28/2010) MPAIX
    Morgan Stanley Inst Intl Advtg IS (since 12/28/2010) MADSX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Advantage Portfolio Class L (since 12/28/2010) MAPLX
    The following share class has not existed since 2013. It was reclassified into P shares which were simultaneously converted into A shares; see 2013 prospectus supplement.
    Morgan Stanley Institutional International Advantage Portfolio Class H (since 12/28/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Europe Opportunity Fund
    http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=EUGAX
    Morgan Stanley Europe Opportunity Fund Inc. Class A (since 4/14/2020) EUGAX
    Morgan Stanley Europe Opportunity Fund Inc. Class C (since 4/14/2020) MSEEX
    Morgan Stanley Europe Opportunity Fund Inc. Class I (since 4/14/2020) EUGDX
    Morgan Stanley Europe Opportunity Fund Inc. Class L (since 4/14/2020) EUGCX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional International Opportunity Portfolio
    http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=MIOPX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Opportunity Portfolio Class A (since 5/31/2010) MIOPX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Opportunity Portfolio Class C (since 5/31/2010) MSOCX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Opportunity Portfolio Class I (since 5/31/2010) MIOIX
    Morgan Stanley Inst International Opp IR (since 5/31/2010) MRNPX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Opportunity Portfolio Class IS (since 5/31/2010) MNOPX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Opportunity Portfolio Class L (since 5/31/2010) MIOLX
    The following share class has not existed since 2013. It was reclassified into P shares which were simultaneously converted into A shares; see 2013 prospectus supplement.
    Morgan Stanley Institutional International Opportunity Fund Class H (since 3/31/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund Global Opportunity Portfolio
    http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=MGGPX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Global Opportunity Portfolio Class A (since 5/30/2008) MGGPX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Global Opportunity Portfolio Class C (since 5/30/2008) MSOPX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Global Opportunity Portfolio Class I (since 5/30/2008) MGGIX
    Morgan Stanley Inst Global Opp IR (since 5/30/2008) MGORX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Global Opportunity Portfolio Class IS (since 5/30/2008) MGTSX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Global Opportunity Portfolio Class L (since 5/30/2008) MGGLX
    The following share class has not existed since 2013. It was reclassified into P shares which were simultaneously converted into A shares; see 2013 prospectus supplement.
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Global Opportunity H (since 5/30/2008)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Asia Opportunity Portfolio
    http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=MSAUX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Asia Opportunity Portfolio Class A (since 12/29/2015) MSAUX
    Morgan Stanley Inst Asia Opp C (since 12/29/2015) MSAWX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Asia Opportunity Portfolio Class I (since 12/29/2015) MSAQX
    Morgan Stanley Inst Asia Opp IS (since 12/29/2015) MSAYX

    Morgan Stanley Cntrpnt Global

    http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=GLCAX
    Morgan Stanley Cntrpnt Global A (since 6/29/2018) GLCAX
    Morgan Stanley Cntrpnt Global C (since 6/29/2018) GLCDX
    Morgan Stanley Cntrpnt Global I (since 6/29/2018) GLCIX
    Morgan Stanley Cntrpnt Global IS (since 6/29/2018) GLCSX
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Opportunity
    In 2015 this fund was reorganized into the Global Opportunity Fund (see 2015 prospectus, p. 18)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Opportunity Portfolio Class A (since 6/30/2006)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Opportunity Portfolio Class I (since 6/30/2006)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Opportunity Portfolio Class IS (since 6/30/2006)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Opportunity Portfolio Class L (since 6/30/2006)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Opportunity H (since 6/30/2006)
    Morgan Stanley Developing Opportunity
    http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=MDOAX
    Morgan Stanley Developing Opportunity Portfolio Class A (since 2/14/2020) MDOAX
    Morgan Stanley Developing Opportunity C (since 2/14/2020) MDOBX
    Morgan Stanley Developing Opportunity Portfolio Class I (since 2/14/2020) MDOEX
    Morgan Stanley Developing Opportunity IS (since 2/14/2020) MDODX
    VALIC Company I International Growth (since 3/8/2018) VCINX
  • Morgan Stanley Global Opportunity (MGGPX) to close to new investors
    Morgan Stanley funds currently managed by Kristian Heugh:
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Advantage Portfolio Class A (since 12/28/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Europe Opportunity Fund Inc. Class L (since 4/14/2020)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Opportunity Portfolio Class A (since 5/31/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Global Opportunity Portfolio Class L (since 5/30/2008)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Global Opportunity Portfolio Class I (since 5/30/2008)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Asia Opportunity Portfolio Class I (since 12/29/2015)
    Morgan Stanley Inst Asia Opp IS (since 12/29/2015)
    Morgan Stanley Cntrpnt Global A (since 6/29/2018)
    Morgan Stanley Developing Opportunity IS (since 2/14/2020)
    Morgan Stanley Developing Opportunity C (since 2/14/2020)
    Morgan Stanley Europe Opportunity Fund Inc. Class A (since 4/14/2020)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Opportunity Portfolio Class I (since 5/31/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Opportunity H (since 6/30/2006)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Opportunity Portfolio Class I (since 6/30/2006)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Advantage Portfolio Class C (since 12/28/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Asia Opportunity Portfolio Class A (since 12/29/2015)
    Morgan Stanley Inst Global Opp IR (since 5/30/2008)
    Morgan Stanley Developing Opportunity Portfolio Class A (since 2/14/2020)
    Morgan Stanley Developing Opportunity Portfolio Class I (since 2/14/2020)
    VALIC Company I International Growth (since 3/8/2018)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Opportunity Portfolio Class IS (since 6/30/2006)
    Morgan Stanley Inst Intl Advtg IS (since 12/28/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Cntrpnt Global I (since 6/29/2018)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Global Opportunity H (since 5/30/2008)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Opportunity Portfolio Class IS (since 5/31/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Cntrpnt Global IS (since 6/29/2018)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional International Advantage Portfolio Class H (since 12/28/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Opportunity Portfolio Class L (since 5/31/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Opportunity Portfolio Class L (since 6/30/2006)
    Morgan Stanley Europe Opportunity Fund Inc. Class C (since 4/14/2020)
    Morgan Stanley Inst Asia Opp C (since 12/29/2015)
    Morgan Stanley Inst International Opp IR (since 5/31/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Europe Opportunity Fund Inc. Class I (since 4/14/2020)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Opportunity Portfolio Class C (since 5/31/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Advantage Portfolio Class L (since 12/28/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Opportunity Portfolio Class A (since 6/30/2006)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Global Opportunity Portfolio Class C (since 5/30/2008)
    Morgan Stanley Cntrpnt Global C (since 6/29/2018)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. International Advantage Portfolio Class I (since 12/28/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional International Opportunity Fund Class H (since 3/31/2010)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Global Opportunity Portfolio Class A (since 5/30/2008)
    Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund, Inc. Global Opportunity Portfolio Class IS (since 5/30/2008)
  • Lydia So, new portfolio manager for the Rondure New World Fund
    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/915802/000139834420021185/fp0058962_497.htm
    (see link for more info)
    FINANCIAL INVESTORS TRUST
    SUPPLEMENT DATED NOVEMBER 2, 2020 TO THE PROSPECTUS AND STATEMENT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
    FOR THE RONDURE NEW WORLD FUND (THE “FUND’) DATED AUGUST 31, 2020, AS
    SUPPLEMENTED FROM TIME TO TIME
    Effective immediately, Lydia So has joined the portfolio management team of the Fund. Therefore, the following changes are being made with respect to the Fund.
    Summary Prospectus/Prospectus
    The section entitled “Portfolio Managers” in the summary prospectus and in the summary section of the prospectus with respect to the Fund is hereby deleted and replaced in its entirety with the following:
    Portfolio Managers
    Laura Geritz, CFA, MA, Chief Executive Officer of the Adviser, has been a portfolio manager of the Fund since its inception in 2017. Lydia So, Portfolio Manager of the Adviser, has been a portfolio manager of the Fund since November 2020.
    Prospectus
    The following information is added after the last paragraph in the section entitled “The Portfolio Manager” in the prospectus with respect to the Fund:
    Lydia So, CFA
    Lydia So is a Portfolio Manager for the Rondure New World Fund. Her primary focus is on developing markets and her secondary focus is on international developed markets.
    Prior to joining Rondure in 2020, Ms. So spent 15 years at Matthews Asia, initially as research analyst covering Asia ex Japan equities. She served as Co-Portfolio Manager for the Matthews Asia Science & Technology Fund (MATFX; now known as Matthews Asia Innovators Fund) from 2008 - 2017. Ms. So was the founding Lead Portfolio Manager for the Matthews Asia Small Companies Fund (MSMLX) from its inception in 2008 - 2020, and Co-Portfolio Manager for the Matthews China Small Companies Fund (MCSMX) from 2019 -2020.
    Ms. So started her career in the investment industry in 1999 at Kochis Fitz Wealth Management in San Francisco. In 2001, she joined Dresdner RCM Global Investors as a portfolio associate working on U.S. Large Cap equity strategies.
    Ms. So graduated from University of California, Davis, earning a BA in Economics. She is a CFA charter holder.
  • Fund Moves in 2020
    Per previous comments, agree that FMIJX was a good performer for several years in my portfolio until @2018. Was then on my watch list until March of 2020 as its pandemic performance belied its stated defensive posture. Traded into WCMIX--similar standard deviation and beta and with no regrets.
  • Your Home is Not an Investment
    A home isn’t part of your net worth?
    I was taught years ago that it is. Of course, one must exclude any mortgage amount owed against the home. Mass Mutual seems to agree. “Net worth“ is an interesting concept. I found it quite meaningful when it was first explained to me about 30 years ago by a guy who really understood finance. Helped set me on the right path back than.
    In a nutshell: It’s better to be positively netted rather than negatively netted - as some unfortunate souls find themselves. Overall, however, it’s not something I pay a whole lot of attention to. Quality of life can be measured against many markers. The Mass Mutual link above is current (2020) and cites some interesting net-worth averages for those of us in the retirement years.
  • Bond Fund comparison
    Here's a table (data from M*) comparing the 3/5/10 year standard deviations of several of the funds listed. I've divided it into funds with high grade portfolios and funds holding substantial amounts of junk bonds. Not surprisingly, over every time period the latter have been more volatile regardless of differences in durations.
    You can reproduce this data by starting with the M* legacy ratings & risk page for WATFX and then adding (using "Compare") the tickers for your funds of interest:
    Fund	3yr	5yr	10yr
    DODIX 3.62 3.26 2.93
    WATFX 4.00 3.63 3.22
    BCOIX 4.11 3.64 3.30
    ----------------------------
    PTIAX 4.65 3.87 3.47
    TSIIX 4.92 4.25 4.05
    PIMIX 5.58 4.52 4.21
    As @hank wrote (third paragraph, above), the funds with better short term performance tended to hold lower quality bonds. Most multi-sector bonds, including the ones above, have average credit ratings of BB. The core plus bonds above (DODIX, BCOIX) are rated A, the core bond fund WATFX is rated AA.
    Buying into junk bonds, especially with cash, is a bet that the economy won't sink into a recession, or if it does, the government will bail out companies that were already shaky.
    Here's a table showing past performance other than very short term. I've added a column, 3yr(2019) that gives annualized performance figures over the period 2017-2019. That gives a sense of more recent multi-year performance while excluding the unusual ups and downs of 2020.
    As above, the table is divided into funds with high grade and with junk bond portfolios. Over extended periods or periods excluding 2020, higher risk (junk) has done better. Over the past year or three years if one includes 2020, it has not.
    Fund	YTD	1yr	3yr	3yr(2019)  5yr	 10yr
    WATFX 6.63% 7.56% 5.56% 4.91% 4.95% 4.53%
    BCOIX 7.02% 7.70% 5.55% 4.66% 4.92% 4.50%
    DODIX 6.73% 7.40% 5.39% 4.52% 4.98% 4.34%
    ------------------------------------------------------
    TSIIX 5.71% 6.71% 4.85% 4.94% 5.32% 5.42%
    PTIAX 3.34% 3.42% 4.49% 5.45% 5.05% 5.83%
    PIMIX 1.54% 3.38% 3.57% 5.68% 5.26% 6.86%

  • CHALLENGE! Ideas for 5 fund portfolio, 8% return, minimum drawdown going forward
    Just a suggestion, Basball_Fan, but perhaps you may also want to consider joining the existing "2020 Challenge-Participants", it's a new thread on MFO moderated by benchrest, aka Rich?
    It's an annual event where the participants post their monthly portfolios and YTD total returns. This includes the timely posting of any changes they made to their portfolios. Rich then summarizes the monthly results and the end of year final totals.
    As Rich states, "Participants can join at the start of any month [...] Just post your beginning portfolio for the month of November. Some members are retired with conservative portfolios and others more aggressive. Others are in the accumulating phase. Portfolio does not have to match a real portfolio but perhaps test ideas. Not truly a contest since we have different goals with our test portfolios. Also I have some indexes in the results to measure against."
    It is, in a way, a good vehicle "Just for entertainment purposes only and to maybe provide for good debate and ideas". Try it, you might like it.
    Good luck,
    Fred
  • Morgan Stanley Global Opportunity (MGGPX) to close to new investors
    @BenWP, that's an excellent point about checking the total assets for which the manager has responsibility. In addition to other funds (to its credit, M* appears to list offshore as well as domestic funds), managers may also be responsible for private institutional/wealthy client accounts and/or pooled investment vehicles. You can find that information in the SAI.
    "5 [other funds] $4.8 billion; 21 [pooled investments] $21.8 billion; 243 [other accounts] $2.5 billion"
    (That's in addition to the $6B in MGGPX.)
    M* analyst reports sometimes give a little more information: "in 2006, the firm entrusted him to launch the Global Opportunities strategies and form his own team in Hong Kong. ... After adding two more funds to their coverage in 2020, the seven-person outfit now manages seven strategies. The supporting cast also lacks notable shared tenure ..."
    Something else (if one wants to get really deep into the details) is how much overlap there is in the different charges. For example, years ago, Fidelity closed Contra FCNTX (Danoff) while keeping open the much smaller New Insights (FINSX). While the funds focused on similar parts of the market, the size difference was so huge that New Insights was able to benefit from smaller companies that Contra couldn't touch, at least in any meaningful way.
    All that said, I agree it would make sense for MS to consider closing some of the sibling funds also.
  • Bond Fund comparison
    WATFX has had some poor days.
    This sounds more like performance chasing than a fundamental reason to change horses. It has lost 1% in the past three months. About 1/2% worse than DODIX, and still in the middle quintile (barely, at 59th percentile) of its peers.
    Rather than jumping at particular funds, I suggest thinking first about the type of fund you want to own. WATFX is an excellent vanilla bond fund; if that's the type of fund you want, I wouldn't switch. DODIX (and I'll add BCOIX) are great core plus funds. That means that they add a fair amount of junk bonds, which have higher yields but also tend to move more like stocks. PIMIX is a multisector fund. These funds tend to have even more junk and may dabble in international bonds.
    PIMCO funds, virtually all of them, are off in their own world and it's difficult to say exactly what they're doing at any given instant. M* likes PIMIX, describing the fund as one that "stands out for historically large positions in nonagency mortgages, which have helped drive strong performance in a variety of different market environments. It also buys corporate debt, and emerging-markets and developed foreign sovereign debt, with a sprinkling of non-U.S. dollar currency bets."
    https://www.morningstar.com/articles/945813/do-you-need-a-multisector-bond-fund
    Many people here are comfortable with this. The question is, are you? You'd be switching from a vanilla, high credit quality bond fund, albeit a relatively racy one (above average risk), assuming any vanilla bond fund can be called racy.
    Here are a couple of graphs that may help to illustrate what I mean about performance chasing and risks:
    Performance since 8/10/20 (WATFX's peak for the year, I believe)
    Notice that the core fund (WATFX), core plus funds (DODIX, BCOIX), and market average (US Aggregate index) tend to track together. So does the multisector fund PDIIX, though with wider swings both up and down. But PIMIX goes its own way.
    Now zoom out to YTD (click on the YTD link in the graph). You'll see that both the PIMCO funds take on a lot more risk - a huge dip in March, relative to the other funds. Over the long term, risk usually pays off. But that line of reasoning also suggests paying less attention to short term movements.
    Here's a second graph, same funds, this one for the three year period before 2020 (2017-2019). It shows both PIMCO multisector funds outperforming. Notice that aside from separating a bit, all the funds still tend to track together except PIMIX. It diverges in the summer of 2019, with performance dropping from that of PDIIX to that of the more conservative funds.
    My suggestion is to think first about what kind of fund you want to own. You might still wind up investing in PIMIX, but it will be for reasons beyond its performance over the past couple of months.
    Side note: PIMIX is available with a $25K min at Vanguard and a $2500 min at Schwab.
  • 2020 Challenge - participants
    As of 10/31/2020, my Challenge "Retirement Portfolio" has total value of $1,073,493, for a YTD total return of 7.35%:
    PIMIX----- $212,055-----19.7%
    TMSRX-----212,985-----19.8
    TSIIX-----218,534-----20.4
    VLAIX-----429,919-----40.1
    Total----- $1,073,493-----100.0%
    Fred
  • Fund Moves in 2020
    Not a particular judgement on the funds, but simply matter of not wanting to pay taxes because of all my put income this year. Some of them have indeed stunk up the place, though. In a market they are supposed to excel, they have been found wanting.
    Would like to hear from others which funds they gave up on because I don't want to land in those funds without having the full picture.
    At this point completely out of these funds
    BPRRX, BGRSX (to cut a long story short ...no pun intended)
    APPLX (selling each of last 3 years...what the effing F)
    GRSPX (meh...)
    MDISX, MQIFX (last of the funds I fell in love with the idea of owning, gotten over that the day I sold HSGFX)
    All Artisan funds I owned with "value" in the name but looking to buy back (still one I own, see below)
    RPHYX, RSIVX, WMCNX (Sorry people, I can do better selling puts)
    PRIJX (hoodwinked into the emerging markets value will do well idea, was in my MILs account)
    PVFIX (found alternative, see below)
    Funds I sold partially and still hold
    FMIMX
    ARTKX (if I sell it will generate capital gains)
    COBYX (my condolence to the manager's family who passed, but really when are you going to turn around?)
    Funds looking to sell at least some off to capture tax loss, hard decisions
    IVWAX (my bad luck has to be excellent, manager has to leave, and with all that cash still stinks)
    VGPMX (not "golden" any more)
    VSIAX (bad timing)
    WHGIX, FEVAX (not too worried, but since I don't reinvest dividends, have a loss on cost basis)
    Moves that paid off
    TMSRX (For MILs account)
    PVCMX (Mr Cinnamond, you are not allowed to closed and then re-open new fund any more, it's illegal)
    VLAAX, VALIX (lucky timing)
    ONERX (Jeff Wrona found God. M* says NEGATIVE. F Them. Rock On)
  • 2020 Challenge - participants
    31 October 2020
    Portfolio summary
    20,000 shares of FUAMX. $237,800.
    2,000. IGOV. $105,940.
    10,000. SGOL. $180,500.
    7,000 SGGDX $183,960.
    1,500. FSUTX. $131,985.
    10,000. FLOWX. $120,700.
    Cash. FDLXX $ 91,576.75
    Total. $1,052,461.75
    John
  • CHALLENGE! Ideas for 5 fund portfolio, 8% return, minimum drawdown going forward
    I think replacing VLSIX with RLSFX may help with the "minimum drawdown" aspect, at least based on their short-term history.
    I replaced VLSIX with RLSFX and the results were worse for performance and SD. See (link)