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changes coming to MFO

Dear friends,

As you know, the site has suffered serious stability issues this year. That's driven, mostly, by the software (Vanilla) that underlies the discussion board and that Accipiter heavily modded. Vanilla is sort of an abandoned product; our version is more than 12 years old and the last release was eight years ago. The company shuttered and the software was inherited by a firm with a less-than-sterling rep. We haven't been able to update most of our tech stack because the new software there would likely break the Vanilla software.

Chip has been working tirelessly on getting us healthy again. She's got a duplicate of the site running on a new server, has migrated vast amounts of data and is now working to migrate the discussion board content - 54,000+ posts - to a new platform called MyBB. Our rollout of it is going a bit slowly because Chip is working on mods to the basic setup to make the new platform feel - and act - as much like home as possible.

She'd love to have a few beta testers but the system is making that hard (because, in IP address terms, the new site is MFO and the old site is MFO, so being able to see one of them sort of precludes you from being able to see the other).

We'll keep at it. She's hoping we will migrate before the April issue goes live. We'll do our best to keep you updated and we'll give folks a heads up before we do anything dramatic.

Back to watching my blizzard,

David

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  • Thank you for this update and all the hard work to migrate the site.
    Let me know if I can assist with beta testing.
  • Thanks, David. I'm sure that you know that I'll also do anything that I can to help.
  • I am multi-browser user. I can try looking at them through different browsers, e.g. MFO (old) by Chrome and MFO (new) by Edge and/or Firefox. As they will have distinct logins, it may work. Send me PM/DM or email.
  • Thanks! Chip might drop by later. We're using her personal URL to host a duplicate version of the site. The "multiple browsers" thing is not a workaround because of a DNS lookup problem: you would need to manually teach one browser that MFO should resolve to one IP address and teach the other browser that it should resolve to a different IP. That's each said than done, unless you're a web developer used to editing your own host file.

    In any case, the "site at a URL not known as MFO" allows us to (very) quickly identify the user-side problems. Our style-sheet, for example, is not recognized and so the discussion board looks a lot like it was produced in 1988 by a dot-matrix printer with an impulse to add three blank lines between each line of beautiful Times New Roman text. (She tells me that's not normal, btw.)

    We're also plagued by log-in issues, bunches of "authorization code mismatch" messages.

    But, on the plus side, the main body of the site - commentary, profiles, all that - looks and works perfectly, and all of the discussion thread migrated over cleanly.

    "This is a developing story and will be updated as our team receives additional information!" (On our local news sites that translates to "we scraped this off Facebook and you'll never hear another word about it"!)

    David
  • edited March 16
    We could use some help from beta testers for the new version of the discussion board. What you need to know:

    1. it is at Chip's personal URL. If you have any kind of malware alarms, it will ding as "insecure - run away!" Nothing much to actually worry about.

    2. when you get there, you should see a slightly outdated version of the board. The content is current as of yesterday morning.

    3. you can try signing in. It would help to know if you can actually get in, our experience varies.

    4. if you can sign in, poke around, click around, think about how it feels and how it works. We can make some mods, though it is not infinitely malleable.

    5. let us know. We will go set up a thread on Technical Questions to avoid unduly cluttering things here.

    And thanks!

    David

  • OK, not sure if I'm being at all clear on this. As I understand the situation, there are temporarily two different MFO servers... the original- let's call that "MFO-1", and a temporary one using chip's URL address. Let's call that "MFO-2".

    From here it seems that if you start at MFO-2, and try to go anywhere else, you wind up back at MFO-1.
  • If anyone is receiving my input on this page please acknowledge so that I'll have some idea if things are working using the MFO-2 page.
  • Chip here, using David's account. The link to my personal URL was incorrect. It should be http://cherylsnowball.com/discuss

    Sorry about any confusion!
  • OK, I've successfully logged in to the new MFO-2 version. My Firefox browser didn't want to make the connection because of a number if what it deemed "security" issues. I worked through a number of warnings and told Firefox to disregard.
  • Thanks! I can see both OJ and Observant1 on the new site now.
  • The MFO-2 site shows a nice first page, but I can't seem to go anywhere from there- no response when clicking on any of the various Forum Choices.
  • edited March 16
    I logged in on the 3rd try.

    First 2 tries failed because I was using my full e-mail and password - as needed for regular MFO sign ups.

    On 3rd, I used only my MFO username - yogibearbull and password and that worked!

    One urgent suggestion - even when unsigned, I could see the entire MFO Member list. This should be made private as at regular MFO OR restrict it to MFO Members only.
  • Got it! And thanks. Chip knows it's an issue and is in the midst of learning what about a hundred new buttons on the admin control panel do. She agrees that restricting that list needs to occur before we become more visible.
  • FWIW, the MFO MyBB site version feels very much like ProBoards that many here are also familiar with - myself as user and administrator (of my site there).
  • Quite a learning experience for me, as I don't frequent any other boards. So far, so good. One thing that I miss- the "New Post" flag on individual threads, so as to alert us to "what's new".
  • For the historical record, I believe that I am the first to re-show my old friend Hobbes, and change that silly "Posting Freak" thingy.
  • Old_Joe said:

    For the historical record, I believe that I am the first to re-show my old friend Hobbes,
    and change that silly "Posting Freak" thingy.

    I noticed that "Senior Troublemaker" is listed under your user name!
  • Seemed appropriate. BTW, I found an "Ignore" function, and you-know who is the first, and I hope the only, member.
  • "BTW, I found an "Ignore" function..."

    This is very welcome news.
    I don't anticipate having to use this feature often but there is one particular individual...
  • edited March 16
    OK, here's something that I really miss- in MFO-1 the "Discussions" Link in the Header pulls together ALL of the various forums (except Off-Topic) in one handy place. I don't see anything like that in MFO-2.

    OK! Just found that one- it's a small "View New Posts" in the upper right of the header bars. Cool!

    Also right there is another handy link: "View Today's Posts".
  • edited March 16
    It's probably best to provide feedback in one designated thread.
    I've started using the feedback-on-the-new-discussion-board... thread.

    https://www.mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/65833/feedback-on-the-new-discussion-board-correct-url-here#latest
  • There are more posts in "The Bullpen" than there are in the fund discussion forum. Seems like an unnecessary distinction unless you see some value in archiving older posts, mostly by @TheShadow, in a category all their own.
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