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Stocks Drop on Report Powell Likely to Be Fired - WSJ

edited July 16 in Other Investing
“The major indexes were off as much as 0.4% following a report in Bloomberg that cited an unnamed White House official. CBS News reported that Trump asked Republican lawmakers if he should fire Powell.”

The WSJ

If this signals a less restrictive monetary policy it would have repercussions for investments - not all bad. Money market yields would likely fall. Mortgages might be cheaper for a while if less restrictive policy is coupled with some kind of yield curve control. But farther out real assets should gain as inflation rises. The dollar would likely weaken. Lots of moving parts to sort out should the President end up with substantial authority to set / manipulate short-term interest rates now and down the road.

To state the obvious: If the report is true such a move would be contested in the courts.

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  • This is going to get really interesting. A politically forced rate drop at the onset of an uptick in tariff-induced inflation. It makes me wonder what they think is going to happen if they don't force a rate cut? And why they are not worried about a rate cut fueling inflation?

    We know that there is no actual macroeconomic plan here, but someone must be far more worried about a big drop in GDP (or job loss), from all the trade chaos, than they are about further stimulating inflation. It seriously implies that the decision makers are deeply concerned about second half numbers. Or are they trying to stimulate housing?

    My best guess is that someone is telling Trump that the economy may crash and he is trying to head that off, while hoping inflation stays below 3%. What are the thoughts of others?
  • edited July 16
    The White House is looking for issues with Federal Reserve headquarter renovations
    as a means to remove Powell "for cause."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/white-house-seizes-on-fed-renovations-as-opening-to-oust-powell/ar-AA1Irf6x
  • Agreed, Trump has no macroeconomic plan. He just wants interest rates lower because he thinks it will boost the markets.

    If/when it all goes bust, he will blame Biden like he always does.

    Something will have to give.
  • edited July 16
    Now he says he is not planning to fire Powell. Probably didn’t like the market’s response on the news he might be firing him. The market has prospered during Powell’s tenure. He will be gone anyway by next May. Leave him alone.
  • edited July 16
    Yeah, just saw that. My thought is the same, perhaps they floated a trial balloon by "leaking" this supposed news, then did not like what they saw.

    Though, the wording of "highly unlikely" is making me think the firing may yet happen, sooner than later.
  • edited July 16
    Thanks guys, so far, for your restraint and insightful remarks. Unusual for the WSJ to post a story without better verification. They were, of course, citing less reliable and left-leaning Bloomberg. I would not have posted this if I’d thought it wasn’t a done deal.

    Who leaked this? Allegedly Trump waved a draft of the “firing” letter in front of a bunch of Republican Senators last evening.

    Wow. Like many of you I worked in a visible public sector occupation. Local / internal politics can be brutal. But I don’t know how Powell is coping. I’m not aware of any administrator ever waving around a draft of a letter calling for my dismissal - though it might well have occurred. :)

    There’s a very good related thread on the issue in the OT section posted by @Observant1
  • At the risk of injecting politics into the discussion, at this point, I'm waiting for him do try "something big" to distract the press from Epstein ... this might've been his impulsive trial balloon toward such an effort. (He is desperate for people to stop talking about it to the point where when you're reading his online screeds you can actually hear the flopsweat hitting the floor.)

    To @DrVenture's point: I mean, they're now lobbing trumped-up allegations of waste and 'fraud' over building renovations at the Fed which happened on Powell's watch as a possible way to remove him as chair for cause, which is probably why he said what he said -- to keep the door open.

  • F** Taco did it again. He reversed and probably lied after saw results of market sentiments about did not have any thoughts of firing J.Pow.

    Their team probably look for new candidates in 6 7 months anyways. Powell prob did well past 10 yrs imho, probably a B graded. Our inflations are jacked up and probably massive defaults when nobody want to buy US-T in 12 24 months and rates are cut at record paced next 12 24 months. 1970s double bottom crash scenarios likely. have your cash parked [35% cash for me now]. I dont trust this market at all especially cryptos and stocks are extremely High P/E [SPY TECHS QQQ MAG7] . not sure if need to dca into more cryptos, so high now seem everyone want to sell stocks and add crypto/BTC
  • For whoever follows Powell, hopefully after 05/2026 for the sake of markets, impossible expectations are being setup for -3% immediate rate cut. My concern is that someone may take the job with -3% cut promise that may be impossible to deliver through the FOMC.
  • For whoever follows Powell, hopefully after 05/2026 for the sake of markets, impossible expectations are being setup for -3% immediate rate cut. My concern is that someone may take the job with -3% cut promise that may be impossible to deliver through the FOMC.

    Agreed. Whoever follows Powell is going to be in for a thankless task, massive cleanup (if possible!), and an otherwise generally painful term. I sure wouldn't want the job!
  • edited July 16
    Yeah, maybe he can just add it to Marco Rubio's plate.


    "I think he does a terrible job," Trump said when asked about Powell at the White House. "He's costing us a lot of money, and we fight through it … The country has become so successful that it doesn't have a big impact, but it does hurt people wanting to get a mortgage. People want to buy a house. He's a terrible fed chair."

    Still, Trump said "no, we’re not planning" on firing Powell, despite reports indicating otherwise.

    "I don't rule out anything, but I think it's highly unlikely," Trump said, unless he finds fraud with the Fed’s renovation project.

    "There could be something to that. But I think he's not doing a good job. He's got a very easy job to do," Trump added.



    Can we get back to focusing on the Epstein files now?
  • edited July 16
    Hi @JD_co He also blamed Biden for Powell. He kinda mumbled through some wording in that area mentioning about Biden appointing Powell. He didn't mention this time that he appointed Powell and that Biden's part was to extend Powell's time at the position.
    ADD: I recall some of the verbatim...."I can't believe he was appointed". He didn't recall he did the selection and appointment.
    The rest of my thoughts about his chat today are expletive.
  • "Can we get back to focusing on the Epstein files now? "

    Sure thing! Here's this over in the OT section:
                Send In The Clowns: Elon Musk mocks Trump's claim Epstein files are a hoax
  • Why would anyone want that job. You know Trump is going to throw anyone who has that job under the bus. No matter what they do they will be blamed by Trump if there are ANY problems in the economy. Lose, lose position to hold as long as Trump is around.
  • We're overlooking the fact that, as YBB mentions above, "someone may take the job with -3% cut promise that may be impossible to deliver through the FOMC."

    The chairman is only one member of the FOMC, and has only one vote. Evidently Trump's knowledge of the FOMC doesn't extend to any great depth. Now there's a surprise!
  • edited July 16
    Can’t believe Malpass is under serious consideration. Struck me as a lightweight intellectually when he headed the World Bank. Candidates

    Yes - if one were to assume logic in this matter it might well be a diversionary tactic.
  • H'mmm... hadn't really thought about that possibility. Would certainly fit a pattern, no?
  • Malpass??? Jayzuz spooge bollocks.
  • Old_Joe said:

    We're overlooking the fact that, as YBB mentions above, "someone may take the job with -3% cut promise that may be impossible to deliver through the FOMC."

    The chairman is only one member of the FOMC, and has only one vote. Evidently Trump's knowledge of the FOMC doesn't extend to any great depth. Now there's a surprise!

    Exactly. The Fed Chair isn't like a cabinet secretary or commanding general whose word is diktat. Interest rates are a COMMITTEE decision. But yeah, Emperor Hirocheeto never cared much to learn about government operations or the law except how to get around them....

  • edited July 17
    "Stocks Drop on Report Powell Likely to Be Fired"

    Reality. The SP500 made another 1% since the above.
    The SP500 is at high for the year.
  • The markets want to go up, and even Orange can't stop it. And he isn't going to fire Powell, its a diversion to distract from the Epstein files.

    TACO boy is very adept at redirects.

    And for every 50 bps that the market inches up, BS1000 will take some kind of warped victory lap.....even though the skeleton of Biden would have had us at higher levels.
  • I’ll simply say that the volatility Trump’s Liberation Day antics introduced into the markets over roughly the first 10 days of April helped me. I bought the dip and sold the rip. This is not an endorsement of Trump or FD. Just damned good luck.
  • edited July 17
    hank said:

    I’ll simply say that the volatility Trump’s Liberation Day antics introduced into the markets over roughly the first 10 days of April helped me. I bought the dip and sold the rip. This is not an endorsement of Trump or FD. Just damned good luck.

    Very good.
    Finally non political comment how to make money and what this site is all about.
    Several posters have tried to tie T comments to markets decline. When it doesn't happen and I point it out, they get personal.
    As I said before I never invested based on politics or scary stories.
    The 24/7 media have been doing a great job every time someone clicks and reads these articles.
  • edited July 17
    Federal Reserve’s Waller says central bank should cut rates at next meeting

    ”A top Federal Reserve official said late Thursday that the central bank should cut its key interest rate later this month, carving out a different view than that of Chair Jerome Powell, who has been harshly criticized by the White House for delaying rate cuts.”

    ”Waller, a Trump appointee, has previously said that he would support a rate cut in July. Michelle Bowman, also a Trump appointee, has also spoken in favor of a cut. Minutes to the Fed’s June 17-18 meeting said that only “a couple” of the 19 members of the central bank’s interest-rate setting committee supported a cut in July.”

    Suppose it’s happened before, but I can’t ever recall a member of the FOMC speaking out vociferously like this against the prevailing committee sentiment and (presumably) the position of the current Chair.
  • hank said:

    Federal Reserve’s Waller says central bank should cut rates at next meeting

    ”A top Federal Reserve official said late Thursday that the central bank should cut its key interest rate later this month, carving out a different view than that of Chair Jerome Powell, who has been harshly criticized by the White House for delaying rate cuts.”

    ”Waller, a Trump appointee, has previously said that he would support a rate cut in July. Michelle Bowman, also a Trump appointee, has also spoken in favor of a cut. Minutes to the Fed’s June 17-18 meeting said that only “a couple” of the 19 members of the central bank’s interest-rate setting committee supported a cut in July.”

    Suppose it’s happened before, but I can’t ever recall a member of the FOMC speaking out vociferously like this against the prevailing committee sentiment and (presumably) the position of the current Chair.

    Well, he's one of the folks auditioning for the top job over there, so he's gotta appeal to the desires of Emperor Hirocheeto in his public remarks...
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