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PRWCX vs. ITRIX

The former belongs to TRP. The latter, to Voya. David Giroux's name is attached to both. And both carry the same name, with "Vy" added to the Voya fund. But there are differences in the two portfolios. Very small differences in performance, over time. The Voya fund charges a smaller ER, too.

What is the structure, here, with ITRIX? How are they different? Uncle David is moonlighting? How might one decide which one to choose, at the moment? (PRWCX is closed, I know.)
https://www.morningstar.com/funds/xnas/prwcx/quote
https://www.morningstar.com/funds/xnas/itrix/quote
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  • edited January 9
    PRWCX is investor class and ITRIX is institutional class. Investor class is ITRAX with ER of 1.24% and the difference in ER should cause it to underperform PRWCX. The Voya fund is not available on the Schwab / Fidelity/ Merrill / Vanguard platforms. It may be available at Firsttrade.

    Yes, they are clones.
  • Thanks for the reply. ITRIX might be labeled as Institutional, but the entry threshold listed at M* says "0." Zero. Same with ITRAX. Given that, why not just get into institutional class? Ork? Maybe have to go buy it directly from Voya.
  • edited January 9
    PRWCX classes are PACLX, TRAIX.

    Voya offers PRWCX or its classes under its own wrappers/tickers ITRAX, ITRIX, etc (5 classes) so that it can set its own (higher) ERs - most for Voya 401k/403b. Another name for such funds may be feeder funds.
  • msf
    edited January 9
    There's a fine distinction between feeder funds and share classes, and a not so fine distinction between those and clones.

    The distinction between feeder funds and share classes is one that only wonks would appreciate. Multiple share classes of a fund invest in directly the same underlying portfolio. Feeder funds are funds that invest in the same "master" fund that in turn invests in the target portfolio.

    In contrast, rather than investing in the same underlying portfolio (either directly or indirectly), clone funds invest in different underlying portfolios which in turn are "nearly" identical copies of each other. They are distinct portfolios, and though usually managed by the same teams, may have slightly different holdings.

    The Voya is a clone of the TRP fund. Each fund offers multiple share classes.

    ------

    Wonky detail:

    Prior to 1995, funds needed to get an exemption from the SEC to sell multiple classes.
    many fund sponsors have adopted another distribution arrangement designed to achieve many of the same business goals as the multiple class structure without the need to obtain exemptions.... This "master-feeder" arrangement comprises a two-tier structure in which one or more funds (the upper tier) invest solely in [shares] of another fund (the lower tier). Although master-feeder structures are functionally similar to multiple class funds, they are viewed as not needing exemptions ...
    https://www.sec.gov/files/rules/final/finend.txt

    Summary: https://www.sec.gov/rules-regulations/1995/02/exemption-open-end-management-investment-companies-issuing-multiple-classes-shares-disclosure

    The Voya funds are clones of the T. Rowe Price funds. You can tell this by looking at their portfolios (on the same date). They are close but not identical.

    For example, Voya's SEC portfolio filing as of Sept 30th shows that MSFT constitutes 5.028296448259% of its fund's portfolio.

    In comparison, TRP's filing shows as of Sept 30th, that MSFT constitutes 5.0427048120% of its fund portfolio. (This figure is confirmed on TRP's page).

    The clones are close but the underlying portfolios are not identical.
  • Good points by @msf.

    ITRAX / ITRIX looks like a clone - T Rowe Price is listed as a subadvisor. Giroux keeps holdings almost same as PRWCX, but there may be tiny variations. It's part of "Voya Investor Trust" that has several externally subadvised funds.
    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/837276/000110465917025956/a17-8811_1485bpos.htm#923ed035-a286-4a4a-8c52-16131f487efb_1

    "VY® T. Rowe Price Capital Appreciation Portfolio
    Class/Ticker: ADV/ ITRAX; I/ ITRIX; S/ ITCSX; S2/ ITCTX"

    If it was a feeder fund, then its holdings would be just 100% of one of the classes of PRWCX.

    Anyway, these devices are so that Voya can have a different ERs from the original funds.

    A newer way is to simply have a plan level ER/fee and offer the original funds and tickers. Interestingly, these top level ERs may be charges or credits based on plan terms.
  • Oh, dear. My head is spinning. ITRIX shows ER of 0.64% and PRWCX shows 0.71%. Could a person not just choose ITRIX for a Trad IRA, for example? If identical portfolios don't matter?
  • Institutional TRAIX (ER 0.59%) should be compared to Institutional ITRIX (ER 0.64%). M* shows T/A for both , meaning institutional funds with qualified access. They are out for retail IRAs.
  • beebee
    edited January 9
    PRWCX vs (TCAF+PRCFX)

    If you can't own PRWCX, maybe consider owning a combination of TCAF/PRCFX.

    Using a percentage of the eft TCAF in combination with a percentage of PRCFX one can approximate the same portfolio as PRWCX.

    PRWCX allocation changes dynamically so this is an imprecise science.

    Using PV, you can back test these three funds over the short lifespan of TCAF and PRCFX (1 Year). I found that a combination of approximately (1/3) TCAF and (2/3) PRCFX achieved a slightly better return that PRWCX with similar risk profiles. Maybe, in large part to a lower ER than PRWCX.

    Here's the PV link:
    https://portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio?s=y&sl=3fHSaFUgvCF0hNyOy10GSc
  • edited January 9
    @Crash, as already mentioned, none of the Voya funds are available at Schwab (I checked) or any of the other major brokerages per balu. (I'm assuming from other posts that might be where your money is).

    All the other classifications for PRWCX are only opened to existing holders. I'd guess, but have no idea, that would be true of the Voya class also, likely only available at TR Price brokerage.
  • edited January 9
    For anyone interested. ITRIX is available to all investors with a $100 minimum and is open, as stated in my Firstrade account.
  • For anyone interested ITRIX is available to all investors with a $100 minimum as stated in my Firstrade account. This post may show up twice with a correction that added the brokerage name.
  • edited January 9
    @Crash, you should be able to convert your PRWCX into TRAIX ( for the lower ER of 13 basis points). I think TRAIX is available on TRP platform only. Many do not like the TRP platform and do not want to move their PRWCX to TRP even if they meet the minimums. There are other reasons (you may choose to call mental frictions) for not consolidating. On a $1m size, a difference (loss?) of $1,300 annually. What is a rational behavior can change as circumstances change. If the 13 becomes 26, some of these people might switch. Anyway, a long winded answer to what I think was your primary question. You do you.
  • bee said:

    PRWCX vs (TCAF+PRCFX)

    If you can't own PRWCX, maybe consider owning a combination of TCAF/PRCFX.

    Using a percentage of the eft TCAF in combination with a percentage of PRCFX one can approximate the same portfolio as PRWCX.

    PRWCX allocation changes dynamically so this is an imprecise science.

    Using PV, you can back test these three funds over the short lifespan of TCAF and PRCFX (1 Year). I found that a combination of approximately (1/3) TCAF and (2/3) PRCFX achieved a slightly better return that PRWCX with similar risk profiles. Maybe, in large part to a lower ER than PRWCX.

    Here's the PV link:
    https://portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio?s=y&sl=3fHSaFUgvCF0hNyOy10GSc

    Very helpful. Thnx.:)
  • OK. Now I'm loaded for bear. BTW, this question was not for me. I'm making an executive decision to move a friend's money I babysit out of MAPOX. It's falling down on the job, the last few years. Simpler is better. After all of this back and forth, I'm inclined to go with BALFX--- if they wouldn't mind taking his money in a T-IRA.
  • edited January 9
    PRWCX is OPEN at TRP for new investors who invest at least X amount. Check TRP website for details.

    Per M*, last year the fund performance was the lowest percentile in the last 10 years. There were noticeable net outflows in Dec 2024. 2021 also had meaningful year end distribution but no noticeable net outflows in December 2021. Last year, I reallocated about 20% out of my PRWCX (i.e., reduced, not rebalancing) - none in December though! The fund is big.
  • beebee
    edited January 9
    Just got off the phone with TRPRice.

    @$250K AUM they offer access to their closed funds such as PRWCX
    @$500K AUM they offer access to their institutional share class funds such as TRAIX

    @BaluBalu is that your understanding?
  • BaluBalu said:

    @Crash, you should be able to convert your PRWCX into TRAIX ( for the lower ER of 13 basis points). I think TRAIX is available on TRP platform only. Many do not like the TRP platform and do not want to move their PRWCX to TRP even if they meet the minimums. There are other reasons (you may choose to call mental frictions) for not consolidating. On a $1m size, a difference (loss?) of $1,300 annually. What is a rational behavior can change as circumstances change. If the 13 becomes 26, some of these people might switch. Anyway, a long winded answer to what I think was your primary question. You do you.

    PRWCX can be converted to TRAIX on the Vanguard platform. I believe the minimum is $500,000.
  • Thanks, @Mona. I should check the other platforms too. Vanguard is only slightly better than TRP! I closed Vanguard IRA and plan to close their taxable account as well.
  • edited January 9
    Is TRAIX downgraded to PRWCX if the balance falls below the TRAIX minimum?

    (Vanguard downgrades Vanguard funds from Admiral shares to investor class but many other fund families I dealt with do not downgrade the institutional class for fall in balances from selling down to below minimum.)
  • bee said:

    Just got off the phone with TRPRice.

    @$250K AUM they offer access to their closed funds such as PRWCX
    @$500K AUM they offer access to their institutional share class funds such as TRAIX

    @BaluBalu is that your understanding?

    I do not trust my memory for specifics. I only carry the general notion and I check every time I need to validate it or need specifics. What you say sounds right but I thought the eligibility requirements are stated on their website - see if you can find.
  • bee said:

    PRWCX vs (TCAF+PRCFX)
    If you can't own PRWCX, maybe consider owning a combination of TCAF/PRCFX.

    Using a percentage of the eft TCAF in combination with a percentage of PRCFX one can approximate the same portfolio as PRWCX.

    PRWCX allocation changes dynamically so this is an imprecise science.

    Using PV, you can back test these three funds over the short lifespan of TCAF and PRCFX (1 Year). I found that a combination of approximately (1/3) TCAF and (2/3) PRCFX achieved a slightly better return that PRWCX with similar risk profiles. Maybe, in large part to a lower ER than PRWCX.

    Here's the PV link:
    https://portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio?s=y&sl=3fHSaFUgvCF0hNyOy10GSc

    As @fundly observed, one can purchase the ITRIX clone w/$100 min through Firstrade. While not an exact copy, it is a faithful clone that mimic's PRWCX's allocations between stock and bonds, and even within stocks.

    My impression is that this dynamic allocation is part of Giroux's secret sauce. Duplication through static allocations dilutes this sauce. According to PV, the proposed admixtures result in 71% large cap stocks, while "the original' currently keeps only 63% of its equity in large caps.

    One year is hardly enough time to get any sort of meaningful impression. Here's the same PV comparison extended back just one extra month, December 2023. Here, PRWCX is the one that achieves a slight better return.
    https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio?s=y&sl=7lfscKm5n0ACQ13fTdpipc

    What a difference a month makes. 31 little days.


  • BaluBalu said:

    Is TRAIX downgraded to PRWCX if the balance falls below the TRAIX minimum?

    (Vanguard downgrades Vanguard funds from Admiral shares to investor class but many other fund families I dealt with do not downgrade the institutional class for fall in balances from selling down to below minimum.)

    My guess is not on the Vanguard platform (or Schwab if it can be converted on their platform). My experience is that Vanguard and Schwab do not monitor balances (I have held 1 share of MICSX, MIPIX, SIGIX, and SIVLX at Schwab for ages) on funds on their platform (I understand Vanguard does on their Admiral share funds) and I do not think that the likes of TRP have a mechanism to monitor this.
  • Thanks @Mona. I shall look into it.
  • Available at Merrill, I believe
  • I checked Schwab, Fidelity, and Merrill for availability of TRAIX.

    Schwab says, "Availability - Institutional Customers Only" which I understand means their Advisory clients only.
    Fidelity says, "This fund cannot be traded at Fidelity." PRWCX does not have the same notation.
    Merrill says, "This fund is closed for initial purchases."

    So, Merrill could be a potential for converting PRWCX into TRAIX but needs to be checked out. (I know many funds and brokerages do not allow conversion if the fund is closed to new customers because they test each class on its own for new customers. I could not convert VSCAX into VSMIX.)
  • It is unlikely at Merrill that a TRP fund being open would determine whether shares could be converted. If being open were what mattered, then one could convert PRNHX shares to PRJIX shares, since New Horizons is open.

    As a general rule, if a fund offers retail shares then Merrill Edge (Merrill's DIY platform) does not make the institutional shares of the fund available to investors.

    Take a look at the Merrill page for TRAIX (login required)
    https://olui2.fs.ml.com/RIMutualFundsUI/RIMFOverview.aspx?Symbol=TRAIX

    Under fund availability/minimums, it shows for Merrill Edge accounts that the fund is not available - not for initial purchase and not for subsequent investments.
  • That settles for me.

    Thanks.
  • edited January 11
    Merrill could be a potential for converting PRWCX into TRAIX but needs to be checked out. (I know many funds and brokerages do not allow conversion if the fund is closed to new customers because they test each class on its own for new customers
    FWIW: My 401k money was moved from TRP to Merrill a year or 2 ago (not by me but by the plan). All that money is in 1 fund, PRWCX. I called them to see if I could covert to TRAIX and the answer was no.
  • Days like today shows how defensively PRWCX is positioned.
  • Hmmm... Schwab shows the fund is available only to existing shareholders. Barrons shows it as closed.
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