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Investors Can’t Seem To Get Enough Bond Funds: $121 Billion In Bond ETFs

FYI: From short to long, from muni to high-yield, investors seem to have an insatiable appetite for fixed-income ETFs.
Regards,
Ted
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/investors-cant-seem-to-get-enough-bond-funds-2019-11-04/print

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  • Not sure bonds (except for maybe high yield) are the place to be. 2020 may be the reverse of 2019 as the 10 year moves to the 2.50 to 3% range. The negative rate scenario may also be a thing of the past in places like Europe next year. End of the day my only holding will be IOFIX but lightening up a bit there too just in case. The fundamentals still look compelling for that niche bond fund but never know when investors will sell en masse anything bond related.
  • edited November 2019
    U.S. bond prices I follow for reference peaked around Sept. 3. This includes gov't. issues, broad based IG corp. and high yield munis. IOFIX referenced by @Junkster , and a decent HY fund of ARTFX continues an up trend from Sept. 3, but the gains remain less so than from the beginning of the year. A general overview of U.S. bonds from Sept. 3 indicate up and down moves that were of consequence for short periods, but as of Nov. 6 this 2 month period is FLAT to negative, for price profits.
    I suggest a bottom in pricing that may be held could be the result of international monies wanting to hold bonds, but will continue to stay away from the negative yield world. A 10 yr Treasury may not look like much here at 1.8% yield, but is a decent spread from a negative -.5% in Euroland.
    My 2 cents about the current bondland.
  • catch22 said:

    U.S. bond prices I follow for reference peaked around Sept. 3. This includes gov't. issues, broad based IG corp. and high yield munis. IOFIX referenced by @Junkster , and a decent HY fund of ARTFX continues an up trend from Sept. 3, but the gains remain less so than from the beginning of the year. A general overview of U.S. bonds from Sept. 3 indicate up and down moves that were of consequence for short periods, but as of Nov. 6 this 2 month period is FLAT for price profits.
    I suggest a bottom in pricing that may be held could be the result of international monies wanting to hold bonds, but will continue to stay away from the negative yield world. A 10 yr Treasury may not look like much here at 1.8% yield, but is a decent spread from a negative -.5% in Euroland.
    My 2 cents about the current bondland.

    @catch22, there has been a huge move in bund rates the past month. The German 30 year has gone from negative to positive. The 10 year at -0.24% should follow. Our 10 year is at 1.96 today. I can get 1.80 from a Fidelity money market fund. I think the current steepening of the yield curve has only just begun. But we shall see. I am no expert. Then again, the last expert I referenced a month or so ago said you better buy up all the bonds you can get, especially the 30 year when it was at 2.01%. Not the best advice so far.
  • For those reading this thread, below is an easy read list for yields. The major countries 10 year yield starts the list, with other time frame/yields as you scroll down. These numbers are updated daily on trading days.
    @Junkster , agree with the note about buying the 30 year at 2.01%. And yes, the long bonds have one hell of a ride this year; but of course, become more subject to profit taking by the smart bond traders. I do follow EDV and LTPZ for a view of this area. Excellent profits with both of these if one has their head to the trading screen and gonads of steel; and happens to catch the buy and sell correctly.


    Global bond yields list
  • With all this talk on bonds and with the Schwab MM now down to 1.62%, I'm adding to my 2 bond funds, IOFAX and MAINX. Both have about the same return YTD, ~11%, and maintaining steady, persistent upward trends.
  • Carter Worth (link) explains the 10-year treasury will stop at around 2-2.25% and thinks it's the right time to buy bonds.
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