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Any one else fading this market?

Howdy folks,

I readily admit I saw the sell sign back a month or so -and did not act - like a stupid rono - alas and alack.


Now however, I'm fading this rat, at any and all opportunities. I lightened up after the Ides of November but have since just plodded along on Cruise Control in your basic 70 yo conservative crazy positioning. Not any more. Too much crazy and too much corned rat. The odds of a Black Donald event are getting too serious to ignore. While I'm moving some to 'cash', I also added to Asia TRAOX, emerging Europe TREMX and Latin America PRLAX.

and so it goes,

peace,

rono
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  • edited December 2018
    Sold my riskier stuff a few weeks back (it's mentioned somewhere in the bin of MFO posts but dang if I know how to find it).

    Not initiating any new positions or even adding on to those I hold unless they get spanked really hard.

    I've almost always been close to 100% invested but find myself currently with 10-15% cash.

    Forgot to say, Stay Warm and Merry Christmas you.
  • edited December 2018
    I'm getting pretty close to my target asset allocation of 20% cash, 40% bonds, and 40% stocks. Within stocks I'm overweighting the traditional defensive sectors plus a few others. My portfolio kicks off a pretty good income stream so I have elected to stay invested. Plus, if I were to sell out I'd have a nice tax bill to pay from realized capital gains; and, then I would have to figure out when to get back in. With 20% in cash I'll have money to do some buying when I feel good opportunity presents itself.

    I'm thinking big money is selling to reduce their leverage plus raise their cash levels. When the little investor can stand no more of this downdraft and starts selling then big money will step in and start buying. In looking at recent charting of SPY it seems, to me, that the flash crowd has been playing the swing.
  • edited December 2018
    Nice to hear from you @rono.

    Against my better instincts, I’m pretty much sitting on my already conservative position. But not buying the dip as might have years back. Hurts a bit each day - but not too badly. Fleck likes gold (especially the miners). Can’t bring myself to go whole-hog. Did add a bit to a mining fund & across-the-board to my “real assets” (infrastructure, real estate, energy, etc.) last week. Also a bit more into international and EM bonds. That stuff held up better than equities at week’s end as rates fell and the dollar weakened.

    (To avoid pIssing Ted off, suggest we refer to the Prez simply as “Individual #1” from now on.)
  • @hank - THE BEST! LOL!!!
  • edited December 2018
    I'm mainly leaving my positions alone these days -- but using some 'fun' money I'm also trading around the edges with some success, particularly in SH options. Tweety Amin --er, President T --er, Mister Tariff, er, I mean, Individual-1's ability to foster confusion around trade policy has led to some profitable trades in recent months.
  • @hank- That's really funny! Thanks.
  • edited December 2018
    "Individual #1." Perfect. If the dots were to actually be connected, "Individual #1" is guilty of a FELONY.
  • edited December 2018
    Rono,
    I've been sitting this one out for a long time. Even sold my floating rate funds a few weeks ago. CASH is king.

    I think you are fearless in adding to other high-risk areas (Asia, Latam). I don't know that I could stomach that while we fret a possible slowdown. Sometimes such counter-intuitive moves can really pay-off, though.

    "When the US sneezes, the world catches a cold". Not sure if it still holds true today, but this was always the golden rule I stand by.

    Happy hunting,
    Joe

  • I have no problem nibbling on stuff I'd like to own for the long-term that hit my price targets, but I am not going hog-wild with buys, tempting as it might be. I simply position-size based on volatility and DCA into positions as appropriate.
  • Yep, I've been fading this market too. Some of it for personal reasons (I have some big short-term needs coming up) but also, yes, I'm very nervous of a Black Donald event. (Thanks for that one @rono!)
  • edited December 2018
    Crash said:

    "Individual #1." Perfect. If the dots were to actually be connected, "Individual #1" is guilty of a FELONY.

    Not necessarily. Intent (to knowingly break a law) may be a legal consideration here. Let’s let the investigation run its course. Suspect some very big associates of “Individual 1” may soon be indicted. When that happens - Katie bar the door!

    The past month or so have provided a decent stress-test for funds I have been holding for defensive purposes. Two have really disappointed: OAKBX and TMSRX. I’m willing to cut TMSRX some slack because it hasn’t been around long enough to get a good read. I dropped its target allocation from 10% to 5% last week. But OAKBX should have shined (relative to other balanced funds) during the past month or so. But instead it stunk. GM is its largest hold. Curious how much that had to do with it. I’ve decided to exit completely by year’s end and spread the proceeds among my three other balanced funds.
  • edited December 2018
    Howdy @rono etal
    There are times, eh?; when the markets I think I see remind me of Star Trek, with words between Kirk and Scotty.
    When Kirk asks that Scotty divert more power to the ship's shields. Scotty responds with, “I'm givin' her all she's got, Captain!” The inference sometimes to the fact that, she's gonna blow; being the entire core source of the ship's power.
    So, in one form of view; we have the core source of markets power being the trend(s), for whatever reasons, eh? And the shield(s) is the protection we seek to protect the profits we've made, yes?

    ---January, 2018 found a broad U.S. equity +9% until the end of the month (one helluva jump for 1 month) and a bang down in Feb. This equity area recovered to about a +16% in September, with fits and starts through the spring/summer. Then began the bang, bang down again.
    I attempt to watch bond actions with equity moves. Hmmmm, in Feb. equity down; no real run to safety of treasury stuff; BUT corporation bonds pricing suffered and never recovered, and down again in September. Finally, with the beginning equity sells again in Sept. and continuing now, treasury issues have gained some steam.
    A few weeks ago we sold our last broad U.S. and int'l. equity. We'd held these for some time and have done well with these; but not willing to give away more profits.
    Our remaining equity is tech. and health, generally U.S. oriented; both of which remain positive for the year.
    We are now at 30% equity and 70% money market at about a 2% yield.
    I/we will face a lazy place to go, with investments, in the too soon future.
    Those good at and willing to play the moves between equity and some bond types of etf's stand to profit accordingly during this turbulent period.

    I'll be brave to offer this obscure video with Christoper Walken/Fat Boy Slim song to represent a view of the past 10 or so years. There are many song lyrics and videos that one's imagination may weave into investment themes.
    1. the beginning sequence....the awakening or reawakening of the investor after the market melt....."giv'in her all she's got"
    2. the middle sequence.....as the lyric states, "you can go with this, you can go with that" as Walken flits about with his investment choices and thoughts
    3. the end sequence.....end lyric, " between the gutters and the stars"; shields up, to protect the hopeful profits and rest again

    Take care of you and yours,
    Catch

    NOTE: two click the play button



  • edited December 2018
    no changes in tsp 80/20. did not buy anything in private account the past 3-4 wks because need to save $$ to pay for 2018 taxations. had several bonds called last week from X-steel company and bought more MNK bonds yield 9% until 2023 [figure cannot beat anything in market so bought these bonds total yield 43% plus if no bankrupcy for MNK]. In my opion it may side ways the next 6-12 months or have a large 20-30% downturn. probably good to stand on sideway watching for short term


    if I buy anything may add QQQ or IVV
  • I'm out. Reduced all accounts (except MMKT) to 2k, leaving the account structures in place for easy future reentry if desired.
  • Gosh, I'm thinking that those who have cleared out of the market either are so wealthy that the enormous capital gains tax a huge sale of investment shares would trigger is a minor annoyance and nothing more, or else that their losses are so much greater than mine (so far.. .gulp) that there is significant capital loss write-off for 2018 income tax. If I cashed in my investments today the tax burden would equal or —more likely —exceed the paper loss I have at the moment. I dunno... I rode out 2008 and an earlier big drop in the late 90s and that worked out for me. Of course back then bonds and stocks actually moved in opposite directions.
  • We also rode out 2008, but now I'm 80, and question the wisdom of trying for one more long market cycle. I've been selling down ever since late last year, when we did have losses to offset the capital gains. This year has pretty much been break-even. At this point we need to focus on the safety of our reserves as opposed to increasing them. However, if the market really tanks, I'd consider buying back in to some extent.
  • Thanks for the explanation, Old Joe. I am "only" 72. 2018 is also break-even for me. There's a few more weeks for things to get worse of course. I sure understand about focusing on safety of reserves and have taken steps.
  • @Old_Joe, Think you made important move already. Given your age capital preservation is pertinent.
  • may I be as prudent at 80, also 8y away
  • I turned 70 a few days ago. My SS increased 430% and I need it since, what with RMD and stuff, my taxes for 2019 are up 250% over what they were in 2018. As of Friday I was down 1.11% from high this year leaving .78% gain thus far this year. Holding steady at 31% (Target Retirement 2015 + Wellington + Wellesley + Chevron), 66% cash (includes TSP G-fund), rest is inflation bond.
  • Howdy folks,

    Thanks to all for your comments. You folks are the best and have been for years now.

    A couple of clarifications:

    70 yo, both wifey and I working part time to keep from going crazy and each other;-)

    My strategic moves are 'on the margin'. That's what this thread is all about - 'strategic' moves (i.e. Are you modifying your asset allocation because of geopolitical/socioeconomic events and in what way?)

    For sh*ts and giggles, I play the junior silver miners and pot. I also like to go to a casino and play blackjack. They're pretty much the same.

    Oh and BTW, I live in Michigan. As they used to say in boot camp, "The smoking lamp is lit. If you've got 'em, burn 'em."

    teehehe;-)

    and so it goes,

    peace,

    rono

  • edited December 2018
    Ben said:

    If I cashed in my investments today the tax burden would equal or —more likely —exceed the paper loss I have at the moment.

    I rode out 2008 and an earlier big drop in the late 90s and that worked out for me. Of course back then bonds and stocks actually moved in opposite directions.

    @Ben,

    Yours and every individual’s situation is unique. Taxes are an important consideration. I suspect most of the over-70 lot here, like myself, are invested heavily in tax-sheltered accounts. Pulling out completely could incur a big tax hit. But if (as I suspect) in “cashing-out” these folks have simply moved into money market type instruments under the same tax shelter, than no tax would be incurred until they actually withdrew the money at a later date. And, investments inside a Roth are generally exempt from taxes even at distribution.

    On the other point -‘08 wasn’t your typical market crash. Downturns in the area of 40+% rarely recover as quickly. One could make the argument that by lowering rates to “0” in many countries (and buying massive amounts of bonds) central bankers effectively used up all their “bullets”. Should another downturn of that magnitude occur now, there’s not another rabbit left in their hat they could easily pull-out. I suppose they could turn on the printing presses 24 / 7 - but only after politicians awoke to the depth of the crisis.

    ‘08 was a “godsend” to some. I did a major Roth conversion near the early ‘09 lows and have been amply rewarded. On the other hand, some were wiped out and left the markets never to return.
  • @Ben @hank provides a valuable point; and one which I should have noted previous.
    All of our investment transactions, distributions, etc. related are inside of tax sheltered accounts.
    Obviously, this status; versus taxable investment accounts may have a serious impact upon one's overall portfolio and tax liability.
  • @hank- Thanks for pointing out the tax-sheltered accounts conversion to MMKT. I'd meant to mention that, but overlooked it. Yes, that's exactly the situation with our stuff. I'd rather get 2% on an IRA MMKT than keep losing x% to a down market. On the taxable side, I'm slowly moving from MMKT accounts to CD ladders.
  • @MFO Members: Last Monday, 12/3/18, I signaled that I was out of the market, "So Long Its Been Good To Know You." I shopped for CD's to form a ladder, and these are the results.
    Ted
    Bank Of Baroda 2.25%: 2/12/19
    Sallie Mae Bank 2.45% 6/5/19
    Franklin Synergy Bank 2.50% 8/17/19
    Bank Of Baroda 2.75% 12/12/19
  • @Ted: I was wondering if you're planing a trip to India in the near future ? Bank of Baroda ?
    Derf



  • @Derf: FDIC insured in dollars, not rupee's!
    Regards,
    Ted:)
  • @Ted, I've been buying 1 years through Schwab with similar yields. At least one of them sounds pretty far from home, Bank of Hapoalim. No idea where that is but guessing India also. They are all FDIC insured.
  • At 43, I'm riding this out and adding each month. Already have a high % of cash, but don't have good enough karma to dump it all at once. Appreciate the voices of more experienced investors here.
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