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CBO releases new estimates on Obamacare repeal bill; 23 million would lose insurance coverage
As Atrios (a blog) succinctly points out, "23 million people will be freed from the tyranny of health insurance, many more will have insurance that doesn't cover anything, and people with pre-existing conditions will be shit out of luck."
But hey...tax breaks for our overlords need to be financed somehow...right?
Single payer system. Health vouchers that let patients choose their healthcare provider. If we believe in educational vouchers we should also believe in healthcare vouchers. Poor performing health providers will be replaced with high performing health providers.
And to think that ACA was the conservative compromise, in origin and detail, emphasizing individual responsibility and all that. And now the death of principled conservatism.
And if the CBO scores the dollars in a particular way, this will be passed on a purely majority vote via reconciliation...with no hearings, no witnesses, no discussion.
Single payer system. Health vouchers that let patients choose their healthcare provider. If we believe in educational vouchers we should also believe in healthcare vouchers. Poor performing health providers will be replaced with high performing health providers.
@bee, I couldn't agree more. Don't forget there is already lots of lobbyist dollars in the pockets of the policy makers. Thus, it is highly unlikely to cut out the insurance companies in single payer systems similar to those in Europe. A friend of mine had their first child while studying in Cambridge University, and their overall experience of British's single payer system is excellent! Even with a complication during birth, their out of pocket expense was very reasonable.
I am a problem so!ver, and I don't just spew venomous complaints without offering a viable solution to the "problem" like many on this site; so on-behalf of all those who have been wronged by the current administration, I have voluntarily submitted all your names (Hollywood elites, Socialists, Democrats, Progressives, MFO haters, etc.) to the U.S. Treasury Department as having voluntarily agreed to an effective take rate of 50% starting immediately! This will allow you, and your kind, to have ALL the free government sponsored/provided health care that you could ever want!!! Problem solved...as free government sponsored/provided health care is a basic human right protected by the Constitution... right??? What do I really care...as I pay $70/quarterly for the best health care in the free world!!! We all have choices!!!
Read above! Yes...TRICARE Prime...I gave up 26 years of my life in exchange for a $4k/month pension and basically free health care for the rest of my life! I retired at 44! Zero debt...7 figure retirement portfolio...graduated in a class of 35 in rural upstate NY...obtained B.S. in Liberal Studies from Excelsior College on-line (free with tuition assistance). We all make career decisions...mine was to ensure a defined pension and free health care! I went without $900 iPhone and lattes!
PAY MORE IN TAXES...FUND THE 23 MILLION WHO MAY LOSE COVERAGE OUT OF YOUR OWN WAR CHEST!!! Simple solution...you can always pay more in taxes than what you OWE!!! Help some of the less fortunate liberals out...establish your own liberal utopian society where EVERYONE has free healthcare...do your part...be part of the solution.. not part of the problem!
Option#2: Donate your social security to the cause...I have never calculated it into my overall investment plan, and I doubt I will ever see a dime of it when age eligible! It is another one of those guaranteed basic human rights...correct???
You noted: "Option#2: Donate your social security to the cause...I have never calculated it into my overall investment plan, and I doubt I will ever see a dime of it when age eligible! It is another one of those guaranteed basic human rights...correct???"
Okay, so you don't have a real plan. That's okay.
Hoping you and yours are well; and that no one you care about; who has not been as fortunate as you, will not have any needs related to healthcare that they can not afford from their own means and methods.
And from your stated education level, which also includes life experiences in the military; I am sure you have been and will continue to be forward thinking with your statements and to not presume your are the only military veteran among those at this forum.
What you fail to realize is that I am not "special" or unique...nor is my situation. I grew up with a stay at home Mom and a Father who retired after 41 years as a NY State Corrections Officer. My Father never bought anything for himself, but amassed $1 million dollars by never saving in anything other than CD's. Why was he able to provide food, clothing, shelter and healthcare for his family??? He started work at 18 and has ZERO college??? Why do you believe those, who didn't plan accordingly, deserve government bailout??? Why should I pay for their lack of planning???
My Father is now in a nursing home where he pays $4k+/monthly out of pocket! His pension covers this...again, without proper financial planning (living trust), this would not be possible! We all have choices...he chose to forgo expensive cars, designer clothes, large home, etc., in exchange for piece of mind and financial security for his family!!!
What about all those public employees with defined pensions, sitting with plans that are dreadfully underfunded? Are you going to "pay more in taxes than what you OWE!!!" to bail them out since they did "plan accordingly"?
My Mother died in 2013 at age 77 after a 21 day stay at Lennox Hills after a "failed" surgery for a thoracic aortic aneurysm. My Father is a 20+ year prostate cancer survivor, and had robotic triple bypass surgery. I have seen these medical bills! Again, planning and smart choices are key!!!
By the way, welcome to MFO...you're a colorful addition to the website.
Are you referring to what most public servants... firefighter, cops, teachers... relinquish? Then, I too, have "signed over my social security".
SS calls this "sign over" a "windfall elimination provision".
If you work for a federal, state or local government agency, a nonprofit organization or in another country, you may be eligible for a pension based on earnings not covered by Social Security.
A pension based on earnings not covered by Social Security can affect the amount of your Social Security benefit.
I guess the windfall ended up in the social security's coffers since I worked two jobs most of my life and I will see little or no SS benefit as a result of my government pension "offset".
@msf, I do worry about my state's ability to meet its future obligations (aka my pension).
Great minds think a like!!! I am such a simple minded person that I have to use Quicken Premier to track my finances! Each month, the little green column (income) MUST be larger/higher than the nasty red column (expenses), or I either have to: 1. Earn more income! 2. Spend less!!! Cheers!
275LB_NY_MCPO, your rapid fire, continuous posts seem to be crying out for attention. What is it that you did anyway. Quite honestly, I have know idea what your career path was from your posts. Is it something 300 million+ other Americans should have or could have also done? Sounds like everyone should have set themselves up for the free-bees.
The usual haters... Welcome! I did nothing special...i had the same options at 18 years of age as anyone else. I chose to serve Uncle Sam... I just spend less time crying about a lost election and more time enjoying retirement! To each their own! Not looking for attention... just speaking up for the 90lb. weaklings who don't have a voice of their own!!! Be constructive instead of destructive!!!
So, so weak. You can do better than call others ('your kind', lol) uninformed. I'm glad to pay taxes and would pay more, sure. Not rich-enough bracket, though. I do pay some voluntarily, sure.
Who paid your service salary, anyway? Hmm, lemme think. Also your current benefits. Ex-mil retired at 44? Good health? So you spend all your time now volunteering with those less fortunate?
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But hey...tax breaks for our overlords need to be financed somehow...right?
Let's move on to more important priorities.
What do I really care...as I pay $70/quarterly for the best health care in the free world!!! We all have choices!!!
Do you have TRICARE plan, too ?
So, tell us about a fix for the rest, eh?
Regards,
Ted
But, what about this question to you from previous?
So, tell us about a fix for the rest, eh?
Regards,
Ted
You noted: "Option#2: Donate your social security to the cause...I have never calculated it into my overall investment plan, and I doubt I will ever see a dime of it when age eligible! It is another one of those guaranteed basic human rights...correct???"
Okay, so you don't have a real plan. That's okay.
Hoping you and yours are well; and that no one you care about; who has not been as fortunate as you, will not have any needs related to healthcare that they can not afford from their own means and methods.
And from your stated education level, which also includes life experiences in the military; I am sure you have been and will continue to be forward thinking with your statements and to not presume your are the only military veteran among those at this forum.
Are you referring to what most public servants... firefighter, cops, teachers... relinquish? Then, I too, have "signed over my social security".
SS calls this "sign over" a "windfall elimination provision". Source:
https://ssa.gov/planners/retire/wep.html
I guess the windfall ended up in the social security's coffers since I worked two jobs most of my life and I will see little or no SS benefit as a result of my government pension "offset".
@msf, I do worry about my state's ability to meet its future obligations (aka my pension).
1. Earn more income!
2. Spend less!!!
Cheers!
Do you have anything else genuinely thoughtful and realistic to say? It can be written in all caps, sure.
Looks like just hokum solutions in fact. But you got Ted's attention.
I did nothing special...i had the same options at 18 years of age as anyone else. I chose to serve Uncle Sam... I just spend less time crying about a lost election and more time enjoying retirement! To each their own! Not looking for attention... just speaking up for the 90lb. weaklings who don't have a voice of their own!!! Be constructive instead of destructive!!!
You swing crap and then call repsonders haters, more lolz.
You got anything constructive to advise really?
Who paid your service salary, anyway? Hmm, lemme think. Also your current benefits.
Ex-mil retired at 44? Good health? So you spend all your time now volunteering with those less fortunate?
Must've hurt to take liberal studies.