Chuck Jaffe: Wall St. Legend Says Investors Should Ignore Politics @msf I agree it is virtually impossible to do business or invest without entering some of these ethical/political grey areas. It is part of life and it would be hard to function on a practical level otherwise, so yes we can try and must sometimes separate these political and financial goals to function. But there is inevitably a point for many people where the political/ethical intersects with investment goals to such a degree that action for a person of conscience is necessary. It is the reason socially responsible investing exists.
What the particular ethical line is beyond which is unacceptable is of course up to each individual's taste and conscience. But for an investor to say such ethical lines don't exist for them and that they are thus "apolitical" is actually I think misguided. That person is actually endorsing a harsh libertarian ideology, an extreme political stance that believes that profit takes precedence over everything else.
Among the embedded political views in the profit above everything else investment philosophy you can deduce the following:
1. Low to no taxes--corporate and
capital gains especially--as getting rid of these increases investor profits.
2. No government regulations of business except for those that protect property rights as this increases corporate profits.
3. Anti-labor. No minimum wage, no labor safety requirements, no unions as all of these reduce profits.
4. No consumer protection--as class action lawsuits and federal regs to protect consumers reduce profits.
While an investor may disagree with these ideas in their separate political silo as you say, they are implicitly endorsing them by investing in companies and with money managers that are actively seeking these goals. There is a kind of hypocrisy to this, and many people have pointed this out with regard to Warren Buffett. But we live in a world where to function one must be hypocritical sometimes. It is a matter of degrees. But the extremist politically is the libertarian investor who claims those degrees don't matter or don't exist.
Buffett Says $100 Billion Wasted Trying To Beat The Market "The bundle of hedge funds had compound annual returns of 2.2 percent in the nine years through 2016, compared with 7.1 percent for the index fund. The billionaire estimated that about 60 percent of the gains that the hedge funds produced during that period were eaten up by management fees."
Here's the arithmetic:
5.25% gross for the hedge funds.
2+20 in fees = 2% + 1.05% = 3.05% fees
5.25% - 3.05% = 2.2% net.
3.05% fees/5.25% gross is approximately 60%
If hedge fund managers underperformed the market (before fees), and index funds merely matched the market (before fees), then everyone else outperformed the market on average. That means individual investors and active mutual funds on (dollar-weighted) average beat the index funds.
This is just Sharpe's argument that you can't beat the market. In order for someone to outperform, there has to be someone who was underperforming. Fortunately, active investors had a bunch of losers they could take advantage of over the past nine years. Hedge funds.
Chuck Jaffe: Wall St. Legend Says Investors Should Ignore Politics @LewisBraham To a large degree, I agree with you. I do not want to be investing in companies that do bad things. Someone wrote, in another thread, that what Wells Fargo did was not out of the ordinary. (Everyone does it, so it's okay.) If this is indeed business as usual, then all businesses need to be prosecuted. I do not support ill-gotten
gains.
(Withholding information can be addressed under products liability laws, e.g. defective products under the
theory of failure to warn.)
But IMHO there's a difference between investing in what is legal and working toward changing those laws. I may advocate a $15 min wage, but I do not decline to do business with or invest in companies that don't meet that standard. Like Buffett, I may support politicians who would increase my taxes but I don't pay more in taxes than the current code requires me to pay.
I still feel that one can separate one's actions from one's advocacy.
Regarding hiring: Say I was opposed to virtually all government regulation (too oppressive), and I needed to contract a writer for a primer on "what is a stock". Should I refuse to consider hiring you, not because you would incorporate your views into that writing (I assume you would do an objective, professional job), but because you might spend some of your earnings supporting positions I disagreed with? That approach would make it hard to hire anyone.
If my assumption is wrong, and you're going to let your views affect your work, then clearly I should reconsider.
Best and Worst Funds Discovered Here At MFO @MikeM - Did you mean PWRCX (Power Income Class C) or PRWCX (T. Rowe Price
Capital Appreciation)?
Oops
@rforno beat me to this observation. I think we can safely assume Mike meant PRWCX
Capital Appreciation. Own and agree it's a great fund from a fine family. Probably "overbought" at this time - if the term may be applied to a fund.
mf newsletter 5 vanguard funds that double my investment And while I do respect your desire to keep politics out of financial affairs, it is a real fact (not one of the new "alternative" variety) that Mr. Obama was the president during that time frame. I'm not postulating that the presidency is directly responsible for financial losses or gains, simply remarking on the facts.So your response is to hijack this thread just to get the last word? Desperately pitiful.
I apologize
@johnN. This was a good discussion you started. Do not let the political interruption overrun your thread.
mf newsletter 5 vanguard funds that double my investment @JohnChisum- Well, yes, but still take into account that the particular time frame involved was right in the middle of the recovery from the "almost depression" of 2007/08.
And while I do respect your desire to keep politics out of financial affairs, it is a
real fact (not one of the new "alternative" variety) that Mr. Obama was the president during that time frame. I'm not postulating that the presidency is directly responsible for financial losses or
gains, simply remarking on the facts.
Warning To Yield Chasers: Beware Junk Bonds! I confess to being a "half-glass-empty" investor. --- So like the late, great Dr. Martin Zweig, I find myself "worried" (and am always "worried")...
The link below is to a chart I watch from time-to-time..
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BAMLH0A0HYM2Tight spreads imply business optimism is (largely) discounted. Can the spread tighen (i.e. support to junk prices) yet further? Sure. But how much optimism is left to be discovered by the
capital markets?
The thing is, junk-debt as an asset class is a 'risk-on' asset. If (when) it loses a bid, its very likely that equities will come under pressure too. The old saw goes : "the only thing that goes up in a bear market is correllation." So if one is skiddish about junk's prospects, one should also have a wary eye on equities...
Suggested reading for a teenage investor If she is or soon will be a college graduate I suggest "The only investment guide you will ever need " by Andrew Tobias
Don't know if Tobias' work is the
best - but do recall it being the
last investment book I ever gleaned anything worthwhile out of. Excellent choice for any age. Don't believe you'd have to be a college grad to comprehend. A reasonably capable high school junior/senior should do just fine. (Really depends on where her inclinations lie).
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Additional: Very impressed with the
Bloomberg interviews I've seen with Howard Marks of Oaktree
Capital. An exceptionally bright, clear, easy to understand thinker. Haven't read any of his books yet, but am tempted to do so.
More: Haven't read anything by Peter Lynch either. But if he writes as well as he speaks, I'd expect a newbie would find his investing ideas both entertaining and instructive.
Cash Will Be King in 2017 Back to multiple paragraphs ago: I don't think DCA into market that is (probably) overvalued is a wise strategy. I read the latest Cinnamond Absolute Investing blog, and I wish I had his millions (so I could feel good about a Starbucks latte, and walking my dog, and not buying any over-valued thing. [He's also a lot younger, so he can get back in the game when values exist.]). And he actually plans to do so. This raises the question: do I save cash; plunge heavily in to any new fund he establishes? I'm pretty sure he will
Perhaps the post suggesting that 2 initial up months guarantees a positive year is correct, but I may be up 8% now (in some accounts) and 2% at Xmas, which makes me positive, but not too happy.
People who take 1% of my money (or more) are isolated from my needs. If their funds decline 5% in a 20% decline (an extremely rare event), I have still lost money, but they trumpet a successful year.
Cinnamond says there's nothing he sees worth buying, and I'm still trying to find stuff to sell.
I'm sure there are multiple individual stocks that will do well as (relatively) desperate managers and individuals buy them, but I hope they are paying dividends.
While happy with my gains, I have to wonder if this another peak at which I should sell. I've missed or ignored all the other, so why should this be different?
Fannie And Freddie Took A Big Fall, Will Bruce Berkowitz’ Fairholme Come Tumbling After? FYI: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac shares took a nosedive Tuesday following a federal appeals court decision to stay a previous ruling that disallows investors from suing the U.S. government. The cases alleged that the government (taxpayers) illegally seized billions of dollars from the mortgage giants. Teresa Rivas reported on it Tuesday.
Over-the-counter shares of Fannie (FNMA) and Freddie (FMCC) slid 34.7% and 38.1%, respectively. Preferred shares were down similarly.
Call it a hitch – hedge funds and other distressed asset investors, who snapped up shares for pennies on the dollar expecting to get paid back won’t go quietly. Bill Ackman’s Pershing Square
Capital Management is a major holder of common shares; Perry
Capital and Bruce Berkowitz’ Fairholme Funds are major owners of the preferred shares.
Regards,
Ted
http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2017/02/22/fannie-and-freddie-took-a-big-fall-will-bruce-berkowitz-fairholme-come-tumbling-after/tab/print/
This Bullish Signal Has Never Been Wrong — And It’s About To flash For 2017 FYI: CFRA’s Sam Stovall says he’s looking for a long-overdue “digestion of
gains,” though he adds the pause will not likely result in the end of this bull market.
The run will continue, the chief investment strategist writes, thanks in part to improving earnings and inflation staying subdued. In support, he notes one indicator that’s close to getting triggered.
“If you need additional encouragement that a bear market is not just around the corner, history again may offer some more virtual Valium,” says Stovall, who delivers our call of the day.
Since 1945, there have been 27 years when the S&P has achieved
gains in January and February. The stock index then finished up for the year (on a total-return basis) in every one those years, according to Stovall. That’s going 27 for 27, or batting a thousand.
Regards,
Ted
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-bullish-signal-has-never-been-wrong-and-its-about-to-flash-for-2017-2017-02-22/print
Fannie and Freddie Damage to FAIRX today is 12.98%.
Basically back to square one YTD.
Yikes! Haven't found any capital distribution news.
Why would this trigger distribution? You think Jerky Berky will sell? No way. Everyone needs their WAMU. He will keep fighting.