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Leuthold: When Bombs Fly, Don’t Play Hero

The good folks at Leuthold studied market performance in the 1 - 12 month periods following the onset of 13 major conflicts since 1928. The descriptive version: your results may vary. Markets tend to get bouncy and a lot depends on what time slice (1 month, 3 month, 6 month, one year ...) you choose to sample.
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On average, the one-year returns came to 2% when you'd expect 7.8% in a "normal" period. Their advice to investors, which presumably will be manifested in their own fund and ETF portfolios:
The risk today is certainly not “too much panic,” rather complacency and hubris conditioned upon decades of military supremacy and market resilience. Markets are behaving as if the distribution of outcomes is narrow and benign. When bombs fly, the reward for bravery is rarely paid on schedule. We do not think this is the time to heroically outguess geopolitics or to confuse short-term fortitude with long-term clarity. The lesson from past conflicts is quite clear: Respect the initial shock, acknowledge the widening cone of uncertainty, and remember that survival, not bravado, is what allows investors to participate when genuine opportunities ultimately emerge.
For what interest that holds, David
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  • Yes, spiraling consequences. A problem that many of us may have is selling after a sharp decline. It may make sense to consider the prior returns (3-yrs?) and consider taking a 3-5% hit as the price of doing business. Maybe even avoid another 3-5% (10-20% ?) downside, and buy back at a lower price point.

    It is hard to see anything but headwinds in the next 6-9 months, right now. War is weighing heavily. But jobs, inflation and trade wars are still hanging in the background.

    Is there any good economic news? I may have missed it.
  • DrVenture said:



    Is there any good economic news? I may have missed it.

    Well now that depends on which provider you choose for your daily finance news. Certain "reputable" news outlets will tell you that all is just swell and dandy in the U.S.

  • @DrVenture. strongly agree. Not much upside in the next 6-9 months. And lots of potential for many historically bad days and weeks and months. A perfect storm of a war that could spin out of control and as you mentioned jobs, inflation and trade wars. And EVERY DECISION is being made by a mentally ill criminal acting alone. . What could possibly go wrong? Many things.
  • I'm not saying this out loud but I'd almost be willing to take a 20-30% correction if it came with a giant flushing of the GOP party come the mid-terms.
  • Humans sure do like looking for patterns.

    That works out fine for predicting eclipses.

  • My 2 cents - Iran is very weak at this time, no intelligence cover (Khomeini, their most important asset was taken down in a day or two), no air support - lots of which was bombed during last attack. Most of the major Gulf countries ( Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE are actively participating), directly/indirectly European countries are supporting the war.
    Iranian navy - sitting ducks - can be bombed from the sky or submarine (they lost one in Sri Lanka - submarine attack) , we have very powerful bombs etc. Iran is alone - no China+Russia support. All their IT systems can be hacked by us since we control those technologies (K death - hacking of street cameras).

    Gas prices going up - a temporary phenomena.

    So this war is a bit bit different - David vs Goliath.
    Statistics/historical patterns are not valid as the policies change by a tweet, very unpredictable (not one but many).

    Most of the countries have trade deficit with US so they are afraid of tariff (even though we pay it), it reduces the demand. Companies can go to the courts but GOP controls that branch too.

    I give max 4 weeks for war to end.

    Regime change is the plan - we will gain 90M consumers.
    US Companies will be major beneficiaries.

    We control now - Venezuela, Next Iran, followed by Cuba, beat goes on.

    Democrats - it's not a party any more. They are leaderless. All their so called leaders are talking different languages (CA & NY - are levying extra taxes - companies & people are moving out as fast as possible). Those stupids don't see a simple logic - billionaire tax - how will it give them revenue if the billionaire moves to Texas and/or Florida. On the other hand, Trump has full support of GOP even if his orders are illegal. Democratic leaders are not challenging them. They go to court and loose there.

    So my suggestion - BUY the DIP (I am buying XLI - Industrial, needed for all the reconstructions, mining etc.) . This is what I am doing.
  • No war has ever been won only by air power. Is there really an appetite for boots on the ground?
  • @kings53man. The Viet Cong/NVA did pretty good with no Air Force and no Navy. And sadly,, we left about 58,000 boots in the ground. Those who don’t study history,,,,,,,,,
  • edited March 7
    From this week's Barron's cover story regarding the Iran war.
    Will the last fiscally-conservative person who abandons their principles turn off the lights?

    "But everyone should pay attention to the cost. U.S. debt this year will hit $33 trillion, or more than
    $250,000 per household. Last month, the Congressional Budget Office predicted that the deficit—
    the amount by which the country is going further into the hole—will total $1.9 trillion this year,
    or nearly $15,000 per household."

    "That doesn’t include around $170 billion in collected revenue subject to refund following
    a Supreme Court ruling against Trump tariffs, which over the coming decade could reduce
    projected revenue by $1.7 trillion. And it doesn’t include the cost of war in Iran, pegged for now
    at $50 billion to $100 billion, but subject to revision. It costs $45,000 an hour to operate a carrier-based
    F-35 fighter. And intercepting $30,000 Shahid-136 suicide drones using RTX’s $4 million Patriot
    PAC-3 missiles, or Lockheed Martin’s $14 million-per-launch Thaad system, can quickly run up the tab."

    "Anyhow, today’s deficits act like a credit-card advance on economic growth, so reducing them tomorrow
    would be a growth drag, another tough sell. But eventually, America might be forced to choose between
    fiscal reform and pricey military interventions, before the bond market launches an epic fury of its own
    ."
  • edited March 7
    Also from this week's Barron's cover story regarding the Iran war.

    "Wall Street has been busy parsing what war in Iran might mean for U.S. stock market leadership.
    Morgan Stanley has studied stock factors, or characteristics, and found that in the month following
    past geopolitical surprises that sent oil higher, value and dividend yield have tended to shine, while
    growth has slumped. This is unsurprising, considering that oil majors, whose products are suddenly
    worth more, populate both value and dividend funds, and the largest defense contractors, which will need
    to reup missile stockpiles, including interceptor systems for overseas customers, pay above-average dividends."

    "Barclays has looked at sectors, and found that in the year following major geopolitical risk spikes, discretionary,
    tech, materials, and utilities have done well, while telecom, energy, and industrials have lagged behind.
    The energy finding seems counterintuitive, but by Barclays’ math, energy stocks are already trading as though
    crude were selling for more than $100 a barrel."

    "Fortunately, Barclays also finds that the regular old S&P 500 has tended to return 12% in the year
    following major geopolitical flare-ups, so for well-positioned investors, doing nothing is an attractive option."
  • edited March 7
    Iran does not and will not want to suddenly become the 51st State. All of those gazillions of new customers will surely not "buy American" willingly.
    Protecting the institution of black slavery in the Confederate States was stupid. But when the Federal gov't in Washington moved into Southern soil, people down south got pretty pissed off, protecting their "States' Rights." And they lost the War, but Reconstruction was extremely messy, subject to political shenanigans (Rutherford B. Hayes) and wasn't (sort of?) complete until the Civil Rights Act of 1965.

    We beat up Japan extremely well. In the end, they had no options. Hell, in a lotta places there was not even a shack still standing. Their war was political, not religious. Like the Confederates. And we had to install Doug MacArthur to be in charge and reconstruct everything from scratch. The United States cannot possibly afford to do that again, and maintain an occupation Force, indefinitely. Look what the occupation of Palestinian land has brought upon the Israeli regime? No one in the media ever wants to consider what was going on prior to Oct. 7, 2023. But I will mention that prior to that date, there had been 56 years of Israeli occupation. And there's been nothing but trouble. People do not appreciate being occupied.

    Iran is a theocracy. Whether or not there are a big buncha people there who do not like that fact, the gummint is fighting a religious war. Their particular "take" on Islam may be vile, misdirected and stupid, but we're not going to change their minds. They will resort to isolated terroristic actions and guerrilla tactics. Just watch. And of course, it will be septic opportunists in that country who will be attracted to the idea of filling the resulting political/religious vacuum we are creating. No less than our own political opportunists, here.
  • @Crash. Brilliant analysis.
  • @larryB I appreciate that. Any of us could have made the same case. :)
  • edited March 8
    Bibi has pinkie promised Cheeto that he will foot the "kinetic conflict" bill, replenish all the drained inventory and ensure that US defeats China when Taiwan is attacked. Lindsey has endorsed Bibi's promise.
  • We have heard this tale before, how the U.S. will financially benefit in some fashion from going to war with a weaker opponent. Has that ever been the actual outcome? Have we financially benefitted from the Iraqi wars, Afghanistan, Syrian involvement, Lebanon, Vietnam? Afghanistan alone cost us $2.3 trillion. Iraq another $2 trillion. Vietnam cost $1.3 trillion in today's dollars. Iran is costing taxpayers $1 billion a day at present.

    Despite absconding with some Venezuelan oil, none of our oil producers are interested in trying to rebuild that infrastructure. Long term cost to taxpayers associated with current stabilization efforts is estimated at $50 billion.

    These sorts of economic windfalls rarely, if ever, materialize. The costs end up as debt and interest on that debt keeps on coming.

    A lot of folks on various investment boards that consistently preach "ignoring the noise", and who have decent reputations, are sure doing a lot of selling. Sometimes "the noise" is simply background noise. Sometimes, it is a train and you are stopped on the tracks.

    A lot of folks appear to embrace the murkiness of imperialism, despite the dark and dirty history.
  • The GQP's One Big Beautiful Betrayal's tax refunds are supposed to hit this season, which they hoped would rally more people to their side for the midterms. With the war, tariffs, and more, it's likely folks will ignore this 'bonus' check and be worrying about other things.

    Meaning, if Iran drags on, oil hits 150, stagflation creeps up, watch Donnie use all that as a face-saving opportunity to roll back his 15% universal tarriffs to 'help the American people' heading into the elections.

    The USG is the best in the world at wasting other people's money.

    (Investing-wise, in my more active account, I'm sitting on a ton of gains -- mainly in energy and utilities -- so I'm hesitant to do any selling.)
  • I would add that if there were no significant other headwinds, that the war risk and costs might be mitigated by an otherwise booming economy. This does not appear to be that!

    •There are strong worries of white collar job losses pending AI adoption.

    •The 108,435 layoffs in January 2026 marked a 205% increase from December 2025.

    •92,000 jobs were lost in February. Labor force participation is dripping down and has been for a while.

    •CPI looks benign, but PCE has been running much hotter and trending upwards. The Iran war will only exacerbate that trend.

    •The equities markets YTD were not doing so well, before this new war was initiated.

    This is beginning to look like many negatives are converging. Discussing optimistic war views, without taking everything into consideration may be unwise.
  • @DrVenture - Agreed. I keep thinking of the GFC when all correlations went to 1. In this case, maybe it's not investing vehicles, but geoecopolitical conditions all going to 1 that can lead to the next Big One(tm).
  • rforno said:

    The GQP's One Big Beautiful Betrayal's tax refunds are supposed to hit this season, which they hoped would rally more people to their side for the midterms. With the war, tariffs, and more, it's likely folks will ignore this 'bonus' check and be worrying about other things.

    Meaning, if Iran drags on, oil hits 150, stagflation creeps up, watch Donnie use all that as a face-saving opportunity to roll back his 15% universal tarriffs to 'help the American people' heading into the elections.

    The USG is the best in the world at wasting other people's money.

    (Investing-wise, in my more active account, I'm sitting on a ton of gains -- mainly in energy and utilities -- so I'm hesitant to do any selling.)

    What I do is sell in my tax-deferred accounts, TIRA, 401K and even Roths - if I need to de-risk. I let the gains ride in the taxable portions. Which happens to be where I have the most cash accumulating. I would never sell to zero anyhow. I am sure you have already thought this through though.

    I always keep in mind that those who are risk averse usually settle for less gains during good times, and may sell to cash during bad times. But, those taking high risk during good times, can afford some declines when things deteriorate. And still maintain a higher TR over time.

  • edited March 8
    rforno said:

    @DrVenture - Agreed. I keep thinking of the GFC when all correlations went to 1. In this case, maybe it's not investing vehicles, but geoecopolitical conditions all going to 1 that can lead to the next Big One(tm).

    When people who have been cheerleading the economy on all fronts, despite all evidence to the contrary, then sell everything and speak of big declines, you can be certain that they were never convinced of their own gaslighting. Or operating strictly on partisanship.

    My concern is that those who were rationally observing the declining circumstances, are now being joined by those who were ignoring it all, until now. Are those who say they are still buying, really buying? Enough to move the needle? Kinda doubtful.

    How many people are now looking for opportunities to sell into days that markets turn upward? Is that what next week has in store for us?



  • @larryB and @crash, ++++ !
  • edited March 8
    If I was a Russian asset I would start a war in the middle east to stop the flow of oil. Then I would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russian oil so they could sell as much as they want claiming it's to protect the USA consumer. Just sayin... pay attention.
  • Maybe even create a bigger market for Russian arms?

    Good point @gman57
  • edited March 8
    I just read an AP article which describes how Russia may gain from the Iran war.
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-iran-war-putin-ukraine-oil-8a6af4989692d66a1e5bed1bc1922efa
  • gman57 said:

    If I was a Russian asset I would start a war in the middle east to stop the flow of oil. Then I would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russian oil so they could sell as much as they want claiming it's to protect the USA consumer. Just sayin... pay attention.

    +1
  • edited March 8

    I just read an AP article which describes how Russia may gain from the Iran war.
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-iran-war-putin-ukraine-oil-8a6af4989692d66a1e5bed1bc1922efa

    "Putin sent his condolences to Iran’s President Masoud Pezeshkian, condemning the killing of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei last weekend as a “cynical violation of all norms of human morality and international law.”

    Let's unpack this. Putin, who trump has fawned over for years, just said that trump is morally bereft snd cynical. Is trump posting about this betrayal in ALL CAPS on truth social, yet? Putin basically called him a murderer.

    And THAT is coming from a guy who tosses his opponents out of tall buildings.

    "trump is Putin’s greatest source of leverage over Europe. He’ll keep his eye on the ball.”

    We live in a place where now authoritarianism is being favored over democracy by our leadership. This is applauded, somehow, by maga. They see democratic ideals as limiting, and authoritarianism as freeing. THAT is who they are.
  • edited March 8

    I just read an AP article which describes how Russia may gain from the Iran war.
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-iran-war-putin-ukraine-oil-8a6af4989692d66a1e5bed1bc1922efa


    Good piece. Seems like S. Lavrov the foreign minister is usually fairly effective in the int'l realm at getting at least some of what the Russke insiders want. I wouldn't bet against them doing very well out of this whole fiasco.

    Oh, and the last graf: "Noted Galeotti: 'The more Patriots that get used up in this conflict ... the fewer available to the Americans generally and more uncomfortable they will feel about passing or selling any of them to the Ukrainians.' "

    There's no comfort or discomfort involved. The admin hasn't made a secret of the fact they've dumped Ukraine, so there was never any question about their providing Ukraine with any more defensive tools.

  • edited March 8
    @DrVenture: "We live in a place where now authoritarianism is being favored over democracy by our leadership. This is applauded, somehow, by maga. They see democratic ideals as limiting, and authoritarianism as freeing. THAT is who they are. "

    Bingo.
  • "Iran’s leadership has been backed for decades by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, a professional military of more than 125,000, plus a civilian paramilitary group called the Basij, with 10 million registered volunteers across virtually every town and university.These act to quickly suppress dissent. 'There isn’t a kind of top that can be blown off in the decapitation strategy and allow the Iranian people to go free,' says James.'There isn’t even an organized opposition inside the country.'"


    I culled this from a post of @Observant1. Anyone thinking that we are going to eliminate the Ayatollahs and "free" the Iranians to become hotdog-eating, GMC truck driving, baseball and apple pie loving consumers, is existing in a fantasy world.

    The nuclear weapon facilities were buried. This is just another mess, courtesy of maga.
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