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Hegseth Boat Strike Order - Kill Everybody!

edited November 30 in Off-Topic
"Hegseth’s order, which has not been previously reported, adds another dimension to the campaign
against suspected drug traffickers. Some current and former U.S. officials and law-of-war experts
have said that the Pentagon’s lethal campaign — which has killed more than 80 people to date —
is unlawful and may expose those most directly involved to future prosecution."

"Trump and the Pentagon said the Sept. 2 strike targeted members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua
but have not provided evidence to support those claims. In subsequent strikes, the administration has referred
to the alleged smugglers as members of 'designated terrorist organizations' — a blanket term that lacks detail."

"The alleged traffickers pose no imminent threat of attack against the United States and are not,
as the Trump administration has tried to argue, in an 'armed conflict' with the U.S., these officials
and experts say. Because there is no legitimate war between the two sides, killing any of the men
in the boats 'amounts to murder,' said Todd Huntley, a former military lawyer who advised
Special Operations forces for seven years at the height of the U.S. counterterrorism campaign."

https://archive.ph/Dnq8a

Comments

  • Hegseth and other Americans will eventually be charged
    with committing war crimes or murder in my opinion.
  • edited November 29
    The Dufus will pardon his entire cabinet etc... saying Biden pardoned a bunch of people. Congress really needs to rein in that power. Convicted criminals need not be pardoned.
  • gman57 said:

    The Dufus will pardon his entire cabinet etc... saying Biden pardoned a bunch of people. Congress really needs to rein in that power. Convicted criminals need not be pardoned.

    Nor should they be able to serve as PRESIDENT.
  • edited November 29
    gman57 said:

    The Dufus will pardon his entire cabinet etc... saying Biden pardoned a bunch of people.
    Congress really needs to rein in that power.
    Convicted criminals need not be pardoned.

    There were pardons granted in prior administrations that I disgreed with.
    But Trump has flagrantly abused his pardon powers, for example,
    by granting pardons for the Jan. 6 perpetrators.
    Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution grants the president pardon powers
    and will be extremely difficult to change.
  • edited November 30
    "President Trump said he would pardon former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández,
    who is serving a 45-year sentence for drug trafficking,
    just as Hondurans prepare to head to the polls
    to elect a new president on Sunday.
    Trump said on Truth Social that Hernández has been treated 'very harshly and unfairly.'”

    "In his first term, Trump publicly embraced Hernández as a partner on migration and security,
    praising him for 'stopping drugs at a level that has never happened.'
    At the same time, federal prosecutors in New York were quietly building a sprawling drug-trafficking case
    against the president."

    "Hernández was convicted last year for helping drug cartels ship hundreds of tons of cocaine into the U.S.
    in exchange for millions of dollars in bribes, a rare instance of a former foreign head of state being prosecuted
    on U.S. soil. Former U.S. Attorney General Merrick B. Garland said at the time that Hernández
    abused his position as president to 'operate the country as a narco-state.'"

    'He is responsible for the deaths of countless American citizens,
    and will now be pardoned by Donald Trump,'
    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D., Texas) said on Friday.
    'Don’t tell me Donald Trump is killing people in boats in the Caribbean to stop drug trafficking.'

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-to-pardon-honduran-ex-president-serving-45-year-drug-sentence/ar-AA1RmecS
  • edited November 30
    "Yesterday, the Washington Post and CNN reported that the Secretary of Defense
    personally issued orders to 'kill everybody' aboard a civilian vessel suspected of narcotrafficking.

    The attack on 2 September 2025 targeted a vessel carrying 11 civilians and, allegedly,
    an unknown quantity of drugs.
    The first strike resulted in near-total destruction of the vessel.
    However, two survivors were apparently observed via surveillance video clinging to wreckage,
    whereupon the commander directing the operation ordered a second strike.
    The second strike killed both survivors."

    "The Former JAGs Working Group unanimously considers both the giving and the execution
    of these orders, if true, to constitute war crimes, murder, or both.

    Our group was established in February 2025 in response to the SECDEF’s firing of the Army and Air Force
    Judge Advocates General and his systematic dismantling of the military’s legal guardrails.
    Had those guardrails been in place, we are confident they would have prevented these crimes."

    https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/former-jag-working-group-no-quarter-statement.pdf
  • Something tells me that the only thing this administration will work to solve is any ability to resolve the "if true" part of things.
  • Howdy folks,

    I'm more concerned with the troops that carried out the orders will suffer. Granted they should, but it's a damn tough decision to say NO. That said, war crimes are war crimes. Whether they should exist or not is not part of this discussion. AT this point in time, they exist.

    and so it goes,

    peace,

    rono
  • @rono Yes, so true!
  • edited December 1
    Any reporting on whether Ol' Pete was inebriated when he gave this command? Dedicated alcoholics can hide the overt effects pretty well when speaking to others ... but judgment suffers.
  • @hank Excellent point.

  • interesting commentary on pbs by military legal scholar on how killing survivors on any sea-unworthy craft is a specific example of an illegal order in the law books.
    MAGA again celebrating the challenge of outdated traditions!

    50% chance this takes down kegsbreath.
    100% chance no direct risk for trump.

    the country is the same , it only matters going forward if trump is on the ticket or there is some unlikely transfer of cult powers.
    vance, rubio, etc...already trying to calculate the value of future endorsements by trump...but its not like they have anything else going for them. (anyone remember the brief enthusiasm by foxnews for desantis as a better choice?)
  • All true!
  • Howdy folks,

    At this point, they're throwing the Admiral under the bus. Trump says he knows nothing. Let this be a lesson to every other commander in our military.

    Oh, and damnit, it's about the oil. Nothing else. Just the oil.

    alas,

    and so it goes,

    peace,

    rono

  • dammit, the gop just wasted >$1Billion of taxpayer money on the MAGA entertainment name change and hegseth's propaganda rally. (all detrimental to actual defense posture)
    now we have to change the name again already?!
    Dept. of WarCrimes

    renewed for another 3 seasons
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  • edited December 2
    What nobody has said - This opens up our boys and girls to the same treatment, God forbid they survive an initial enemy assault. Life is cheap to this gang. Holy S*** - Never thought I'd find myself in agreement with Rand Paul, an outspoken critic of this form of summary execution, on any matter. Go Rand!
  • edited 12:51AM
    The Department of Defense's inspector general completed an investigation
    of Pete Hegseth's Signal chat regarding a Yemen strike earlier this year.
    The damning conclusion will not be surprising to most.

    "And according to a person who has read this document, the inspector general found
    that the messages that the secretary transmitted were — quote — 'secret/no foreign.'
    The definition of that classification level is that unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected
    to cause serious damage to national security and it can't be shared with foreigners."

    "And the inspector general went on to say, if those messages had been intercepted,
    it would have endangered U.S. service members and the mission.
    "

    "And this was just echoed by the Senate Armed Services Committee top Democrat,
    Jack Reed, that if a lower-level service member provided that level of information before the launches
    of manned aircraft with pilots inside those cockpits, that service member
    would have been court-martialed and discharged.
    "
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hegseths-signal-chat-put-u-s-personnel-at-risk-pentagon-watchdog-finds

    Comments: It's peculiar that the Commander in Chief doesn't seem to be concerned about this reckless act!
  • It is the same careless altitude that lead to seven bankruptcies. Stable genius, think not !
  • Sven said:

    It is the same careless altitude that lead to seven bankruptcies. Stable genius, think not !

    Boom.
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