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US markets tumble amid Wall Street concern over job losses and AI

Following are edited excerpts from a current report in The Guardian:

S&P 500 down 1.1% and Nasdaq down 1.9% as hiring freezes and layoffs sharpen fears US economy is slowing
Fears that the US economy is slowing, with firms shedding jobs and imposing hiring freezes, sent Wall Street tumbling on Thursday. The S&P 500 index of leading firms was down 1.1% as investors also highlighted concerns about the potential for a slump in the value of businesses that have benefited from huge investments in artificial intelligence. The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite fell 1.9%.

A report showed that last month was the worst October for US layoffs since 2003, which grabbed the attention of investors in the absence of official data delayed by the federal government shutdown. Companies cut jobs and imposed hiring freezes, according to the global outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas.

Chris Beauchamp, the chief market analyst at the trading platform IG.com, said “The lack of US data and the ongoing government shutdown is making investors nervous.” US markets have been rattled by a review of Donald Trump’s tariffs by the supreme court, which could result in the US president being forced to abandon his flagship policy. Beauchamp added that "If the supreme court rolls back some of the tariffs then inflationary worries will subside to an extent, though this is a topic that will not come to fruition for weeks.”

A lack of official data has also forced the Federal Reserve to judge the state of the US economy with only a fraction of the information it would usually sift before judging the level of interest rates. Beauchamp further said the Fed and financial markets had found themselves “groping around in the dark” after the suspension of inflation and employment data.

Speaking on CNBC, the Fed board member Austan Goolsbee said the lack of official data on inflation during the government shutdown accentuated his caution about cutting interest rates further. “I lean more to the: when it’s foggy, let’s just be a little careful and slow down,” he said.

The survey by Challenger, Gray & Christmas found that employers announced 153,074 job cuts last month, compared with 55,597 in October 2024. It said US firms announced the termination of 1.09m roles during the first 10 months of this year, up 44% from the 761,358 cuts in 2024. Technology businesses led private-sector layoffs, it added.

The FTSE 100 fell 41 points or 0.4%. European stocks also fell. The Stoxx Europe 600 closed 0.7% lower, with tech stocks suffering the heaviest losses, and the Dax in Germany fell 1.3%.

Tech valuations have ballooned, and fears of a bubble loom large. “In the US, most of the big tech beasts have reported earnings but there is still lingering concerns about those lofty valuations and the mind-boggling sums of cash being invested into the AI dream,” said Danni Hewson, head of financial analysis at AJ Bell.

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  • A report showed that last month was the worst October for US layoffs since 2003, which grabbed the attention of investors in the absence of official data delayed by the federal government shutdown.
    Relax, it's just AI doing it's thing. We don't need no stinking jobs. Ride the wave!!!
  • Trillion dollar pay packages and AI taking jobs. It is just a matter of time before the villagers grab the pitchforks and torches.
  • From a WaPo email I received written by Shira Ovide - The Tech Friend:

    Bonkers dollars in AI

    Maybe you’ve heard that artificial intelligence is a bubble poised to burst. Maybe you have heard that it isn’t. (No one really knows either way, but that won’t stop the bros from jabbering about it constantly.)

    But I can confidently tell you that the money being thrown around for AI is so huge that numbers have lost all meaning. The companies pouring money in are so rich and so power-hungry (in multiple meanings of that term) that our puny human brains cannot really comprehend.

    So let’s try to give some meaning and context to the stratospheric numbers in AI. Is it a bubble? Eh, who knows. But it is completely bonkers.

    • In just the past year, the four richest companies developing AI — Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta — have spent roughly $360 billion combined for big-ticket projects, which included building AI data centers and stuffing them with computer chips and equipment, according to my analysis of financial disclosures.

    (Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post.)

    That same amount of money could pay for about four years’ worth of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), the federal government program that distributes more than $90 billion in yearly food assistance to 42 million Americans. SNAP benefits are in limbo for now during the government shutdown.

    • How do companies pay for the enormous sums they are lavishing on AI? Mostly, these companies make so much money that they can afford to go bananas.

    One example: Google’s sales from showing us digital advertisements, $212 billion so far in 2025, are more than the annual revenue of Texas taken in from all sources, including from all state taxes, income from the federal government and land income.

    • Eight of the world’s top 10 most valuable companies are AI-centric or AI-ish American corporate giants — Nvidia, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Broadcom, Meta and Tesla. That’s according to tallies from S&P Global Market Intelligence based on the total price of the companies’ stock held by investors.

    My analysis of the S&P data shows that the collective worth of those eight giants, $23 trillion, is more than the value of the next 96 most valuable U.S. companies put together, which includes many still very rich names such as JPMorgan, Walmart, Visa and ExxonMobil.

    • No. 1 on that list, the AI computer chip seller Nvidia, last week become the first company in history to reach a stock market value of $5 trillion.

    That alone was more than the value of entire stock markets in most countries, Bloomberg News reported, other than the five biggest (in the U.S., China, Japan, Hong Kong and India). Alas, Nvidia was down to a measly $4.4 trillion as of Friday morning.

    • All the announced or under-construction data centers for powering AI would consume roughly as much electricity as 44 million households in the United States if they run full tilt, according to a recent analysis by the Barclays investment bank as reported by the Financial Times.

    For context, that’s nearly one-third of the total number of residential housing units in the entire country, according to U.S. Census Bureau housing estimates for 2024.

    • Nvidia pledged this fall to invest up to $100 billion in ChatGPT parent company OpenAI as part of its insatiable hunger for cash and resources. (The Post has a content partnership with OpenAI.)

    Or, nearly the equivalent amount could be spent on police, firefighters, courts, public schools and hospitals, social services, parks and more for 8.5 million people. The government spending of New York, the largest city in America, was $118 billion in the last fiscal year.
  • edited November 7
    Thanks for posting the information. Having a real hard time to see clarity on the AI investment buy the AI investment thesis and its circular investment. Sounds like Enron all over again.

    Outside of the AI-related activities, the other sectors are fairly quiet. Labor market is weak even the holiday hiring generally picks up rapidly. Perhaps consumers will buy half of a doll instead of 20. What would happen if consumers should cut their discretionary shopping by 50%.this holidays? Last i shop at Costco the customers are buying predominately grocery and very few big TVs and furnitures.

    This Administration is asking the Supreme Court to het him to hold up the SNAP funding. A quick denial reply is in order and direct them to lower court’ ruling immediately.
  • This Administration is asking the Supreme Court to het him to hold up the SNAP funding. A quick denial reply is in order and direct them to lower court’ ruling immediately.

    Obey the Law? We don't need no stinking laws. Unless it's some we LIKE.
  • The Supine Court just granted Trump his request to not pay the SNAP subsidies.
  • Following are excerpts from a current report in The Guardian:

    US supreme court issues emergency order blocking full Snap food aid payments... High court’s order comes after appeals court rejected Trump administration’s request to block November benefits
    The supreme court has issued an emergency order temporarily blocking full Snap food aid payments. The high court’s order came after the Trump administration asked a federal appeals court on Friday to block a judge’s order that it distribute November’s full monthly food stamp benefits amid a US federal government shutdown.

    After that request to block was denied, the Trump administration turned to the supreme court in a further attempt to block the order to fully fund Snap food aid payments.

    The application to stay reads: “If forced to transfer funds to Snap to make full November allotments, there is no means for the government to recoup those expenditures – which is quintessential irreparable harm. Once those payments are made, there is every indication that the States will promptly disburse them. And once disbursed, the government will be un-able to recover any funds. Worse, these harms will only compound if the decision below stands.

    “There is every reason to expect that if the shutdown lingers, the court below will not command the government to tap these funds again in December to support Snap – blowing a bigger hole in the budget for the child nutrition programs.”

    The application – which was filed at about 7pm ET – also requested that the supreme court grant the “immediate administrative stay of the district court’s orders by 9.30pm” on Friday. Shortly after 9.30pm, attorney general Pam Bondi shared a note on X saying that the supreme court “just granted our administrative stay in this case. Our attorneys will not stop fighting, day and night, to defend and advance President Trump’s agenda.”

    US district judge John J McConnell Jr had given the Trump administration until Friday to make the payments through Snap, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, after the administration said last month that it would not pay benefits for November because of the shutdown.

    On Friday, Patrick Penn, deputy undersecretary at the Department of Agriculture, wrote in a memo to states that the government “will complete the processes necessary” to fully fund Snap for now and the funds will be available on Friday.

    But also on Friday, the Trump administration asked the appeals court to suspend any court orders requiring it to spend more money than is available in a contingency fund. The court filing came even as the spokesperson for Wisconsin’s governor said on Friday that some Snap recipients in the state already had received their full November payments overnight on Thursday.

    “We’ve received confirmation that payments went through, including members reporting they can now see their balances,” she said. The court wrangling prolonged weeks of uncertainty for the food program that serves about one in eight Americans, mostly with lower incomes.

    Last week, in separate rulings, two judges ordered the government to pay at least part of the benefits using an emergency fund. It initially said it would cover half, but later said it would cover 65%.

    Comment:   Well, Trumpian chaos, as usual. We have to give the "lower" courts credit though... unlike the Supines they are doing their damndest to hold Trump in check.

  • edited 1:26AM
    I read that somehow, it was only Brown-Jackson's order to TEMPORARILY suspend the order from the lower (federal?) court, so that the appeal could, under PROPER procedure, be denied, thus forcing the Orange Rectum's regime to disburse SNAP benefits. So, it was silly, but procedural....... Ya, I know: makes no sense to me, either. Somehow, it fell within KBJ's brief.

    Never before have the Courts needed their own Enforcement Militia. This is what happens under fascist gestapo regimes. The Repugnants have been getting away with ignoring the Courts for decades. Carl Rove. Oliver North was granted amnesty just to get him to testify. And Gingrich the Newt. He shredded our political system.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/
  • edited 3:06AM
    added comment to another thread where it was more relevant...
  • @Crash- Thank you for that. I just scrounged around for more information, and came up with this, from "SCOTUS Blog":
    The Trump administration on Friday night asked the Supreme Court to pause a ruling by a federal judge in Rhode Island that requires the government to pay $4 billion to fully fund the federal food-stamp program for November. The “unprecedented” order by U.S. District Judge John J. McConnell, Jr. “makes a mockery of the separation of powers,” U.S. Solicitor General D. John Sauer wrote. Sauer acknowledged that the “funding lapse” due to the 38-day government shutdown “is a crisis,” but he called it “a crisis occasioned by congressional failure and one that can only be solved through congressional action.”

    Sauer asked the court to issue an administrative stay – that is, to put the ruling on hold to give it time to consider his request – by 9:30 p.m. EST on Friday.

    Congress funds the program, known as the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, during its annual appropriations process. The program was fully funded through Sept. 30, 2025, the end of the 2025 fiscal year, but there has been no appropriation for the 2026 fiscal year.

    On Oct. 24, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, announced that it had suspended benefits for November because of the government shutdown. That prompted a group of nonprofits and cities to go to federal court in Rhode Island, where they argued that the suspension of benefits violated the federal laws governing administrative agencies. They asked McConnell to require the agency to use emergency funds to pay for the November benefits.

    McConnell initially offered the Trump administration a choice between quickly making partial payments from the emergency funds or fully funding the November benefits using funds from other sources. The Trump administration chose the former option, but on Thursday, McConnell ordered the Trump administration to go with the latter option and pay the November benefits in full by Friday.

    The Trump administration appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 1st Circuit. When it filed its application, the court of appeals had not acted on the government’s request. In a letter distributed to reporters shortly after the Trump administration’s application was filed, Sauer told the justices that the 1st Circuit had denied the government’s request for an immediate administrative stay but indicated that it would act “as quickly as possible” on the request for a stay pending appeal.

    Urging the justices to block McConnell’s ruling, Sauer argued that “the SNAP statute is explicit that SNAP benefits are subject to available appropriations, and it states plainly that SNAP payments shall not exceed the funds appropriated for the program.” If there is not enough funding, he wrote, “USDA will direct States to reduce their benefits—which is exactly what USDA did this week.”

    Moreover, Sauer warned, if McConnell’s ruling is “allowed to stand,” it will “metastasize and sow further shutdown chaos. Every beneficiary of a federal program could run into court, point to an agency’s general discretion to prioritize funding, and claim that failing to prioritize their chosen program” violated the federal law governing administrative agencies.

    Finally, Sauer continued, once the funds have been paid out, “there is no ready mechanism for the government to recover” them.

    In an order released to reporters at 9:17 p.m. EST on Friday night, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson issued the administrative stay that the government had requested, giving the court of appeals time to weigh in on the Trump administration’s motion for a stay pending appeal. “This administrative stay will terminate forty-eight hours after the First Circuit’s resolution of the pending motion, which the First Circuit is expected to issue with dispatch.”
    So it seems that the crux of the judicial maneuvering is that the 1st Circuit had denied the government’s request for an immediate administrative stay, but said that it would act “as quickly as possible” on the request for a stay pending appeal. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson issued the administrative stay that the government had requested, thus giving the 1st Circuit appeals court time to act “as quickly as possible” on the request for a stay pending appeal.

    Now it's up to the 1st Circuit. They will have to decide on accepting the appeal, and whether or not to issue a stay pending that appeal hearing. It's predictable that if the 1st Circuit denies the government's appeal, then Trump will once again appeal to the Supine Court to overrule the 1st Circuit.

    In other words, it will be one very long time before the judicial branch has anything definitive to say on this whole thing, and a lot of people are going to get very hungry while all of this plays (and I do mean "plays", because it's all a big game to Trump) out.


  • Your final paragraph says it all!
  • edited 5:22AM
    District Courts and Courts of Appeals have often ruled against the Trump administration.
    These rulings are appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court which frequently expedites the case
    and places it on the "shadow docket." The shadow docket was previously rarely used
    only for certain emergency decisions. Shadow docket cases have no oral arguments,
    limited briefings, and rulings with little or no analysis of the Court’s reasoning.

    There is a significant increase in the number of these cases under the current Trump administration.

    “A clear pattern has emerged: The Court is using the shadow docket to quickly and dramatically
    expand executive power. As Justice Elena Kagan wrote in a dissent, 'Our emergency docket
    should never be used, as it has been this year, to permit what our own precedent bars.
    Still more, it should not be used, as it also has been, to transfer government authority
    from Congress to the President, and thus to reshape the Nation’s separation of powers.'”

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/supreme-court-shadow-docket-tracker-challenges-trump-administration
  • Blah, blee, blek, brum, bum, bak, boog. And the beat goes on.
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