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AAII Sentiment Survey, 4/16/25

AAII Sentiment Survey, 4/16/25
BEARISH remained the top sentiment (56.9%, very high) & neutral remained the bottom sentiment (17.7%, very low); bullish remained the middle sentiment (25.4%, low); Bull-Bear Spread was -31.4%* (very low). Investor concerns: Tariffs, jobs, inflation, recession, Fed, budget, debt, dollar, geopolitical, Russia-Ukraine (164+ weeks), Israel-Hamas (67+3 weeks). For the Survey week (Th-Wed), stocks down, bonds flat, oil up, gold up sharply, dollar down. NYSE %Above 50-dMA 17.61% (oversold). New trade deals remain pending. US-China trade relations worsened. #AAII #Sentiment #Markets
Sentiments are CONTRARIAN indicators.
*Negative since 2/5/25.
https://ybbpersonalfinance.proboards.com/post/1955/thread

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  • edited April 17
    As posted by Subu Trade, this is the eight consecutive week of bears over 50, the longest stretch ever. Didn’t occur during 2008, the Dot.com bust, Covid, or the 1990 and 2022 bear markets.
  • What might those 8 weeks coincide with? As they say so often in every detective novel,,, no such thing as a coincidence!”
  • We are in uncharted territory like sailing in fogging conditions near the rocks. There is no bottom fishing or more likely you will sleep with them instead.
  • Aren't the AAII Sentiment Survey and UM Surveys of Consumers considered to be contrary indicators?
  • edited April 17
    Yes they are. In a choppy market, they may be used to buy on dip IF the market will eventually move upward. The question is when and how? Last week’s flip flopping policy only increased large selling of treasury.

    What @Junkster stated that the longest stretch is unusual. My interpretation is that we have not reached the bottom and they is more to come such as the continuing falling dollar against other major currencies.
  • Thanks, Sven!
    I believe we'll continue to experience heightened market volatility
    until there is some policy clarity from the administration.
  • At Sven. Like your sailing metaphor. But even is a bad situation like you described,,, sailors have rules to guide them when they can’t see anything. Sailing the coast of Northern California I was taught that when the visibility is zero and you are close to shore ,,,,WEST IS BEST. steer away from rocks and shoals. What guidance should an investor remember in an unprecedented murky time?
  • edited April 17
    "...What guidance should an investor remember in an unprecedented murky time?"

    This? At the top of the Risk Management Tools/Techniques ladder is Avoidance.

    It is very effective almost all times, and is arguably very appropriate "...in uncharted territory like sailing in fogging conditions near the rocks."
  • For the sailor: avoid rocks. For the investor,,, don’t lose money. Last night my wife asked me if our assets are safe. I couldn’t tell her with total certainty that they are. Six months ago that would not have been the case. What has changed? We all know what had changed.
  • edited April 17
    For the investor, more specifically, AVOID high risk assets.

    Yeah, there were a lot of detractors on this forum when rates were topping out and as I was posting regularly about the merits of building a 5-yr, CP CD ladder paying over 5%.

    I'm sure they're still out there. I guess the question would be who amongst them wouldn't trade at least a sleeve or two of their portfolios for one now.

    To answer that though, they would need to know how much LESS fear, uncertainty, angst all the rest they'd be experiencing IF they owned one since Election or Inauguration Day. I can tell them - it's a LOT!

    And it ain't too late to build one paying 4.0%. Just sayin'.
  • Me, you and DT. Sleeping better than most. Except on the night before the last Wednesday of the month for me. lol.
  • edited April 18
    I bought a domestic junk bond fund last week due to the out of ordinary strength Wednesday in equities. VWEHX to be precise because it is a high quality junker. Will move to a lower quality junker if this rally has any legs. While I have 2 other bond funds ( you can PM me on those) money market fund SNAAX is my largest holding at least for now. Pessimism seems rampant and by almost all measures worst than the darkest days of 2008 early 2009. If I am wrong will simply exit back to SNAAX. This is not the time to be a hero but also not a time to crawl under the table. If certainty and clarity is what you seek, then trading and investing is not the place to be.

    Edit. The money market fund above is SNAXX
  • edited April 18
    Hmm, I think we disagree quite a bit on all that.

    I think the extreme pessimism is highly warranted and appropriate now and for the next 3 years, 9 months, if he manages to hold the office to term.

    We're only three months in and he's already managed to bring markets and economies to the brink of destruction. And he now had Powell in his cross-hairs in an attempt to save his insane fiscal policies.

    With all than, AND having endured his 1.0 act, IMO, we are effectively sitting on a ticking time bomb.

    capecod, former major league bond trader, CEF savant, and one of the most legendary investment forum posters of all-time, also has a different take. Though he would likely never invest in a CD, he always has regarded (paraphrasing) "meaningful diversification as investment in anything that guarantees a positive total return."

    If I scope all taxable bond OEFs available at Fido, I find there are 1802 splattered over 19 pages. If I sort them by "Worst to Best" performance for example 5 years, I find there are 12.5/19 pages that have TRs of LESS than the APY of my 5-yr CD ladder. 3 years, 15.5/19 pages with TRs LESS than.

    That ain't "meaningful diversification" to me.

    So, to an investor like me, who regards bonds pretty much as a 4-letter word and at one time, a necessary evil, I decided to AVOID dedicated bond funds after their last great crash, except for some small toeholds in 3 low risk finds that I recently bought with stock sale proceeds.

    So basically in the past coupla years I exchanged our dedicated bond fund allocation for a 5-yr CD ladder.

    I don't have to "hope" (as, IMO, most average bond fund investor do, yourself of course excluded) for annual TRs of 4%-5% from that sleeve. I don't have to "hope' the bond funds I select will be in the minority of dedicated bond funds that outperform my CD ladder. I get 5+% guaranteed, FDIC'd, with Rolex-clocklike interest payments, and full return of my principal at maturity.

    And if history at least rhymes, our CD ladder will outperform over time, over 50% of all bond funds available at Fido. Meanwhile, we will, as always, continue to make our real investment money in stocks.

    Maybe I misunderstood you, but if not, how is this strategy NOT investing? By definition, we're committing money to earn a financial return.
  • edited April 18
    Deleted original response. @stillers Let’s just say I agree with you on the potential negative ramifications on the actions of the President. And if he does get rid of Powell…………

    Just pity me because although a long time conservative moderate Republican meaning non MAGA, I have to deal with them daily here in rural KY including my long time lady friend. So why do I choose to live here? Something @Hank alluded to when describing his sojourn into West Virginia. They are the nicest, most friendly, down to earth people I have ever met. And I have lived all over the U.S. Odd, but personality and temperament wise they seem to have nothing in common with our President. Just don’t understand their attraction to him as their values don’t seem to align with his.

    On bonds a discussion for another time.
  • Junkster. None of our business of course but when you say “my long time lady friend,” does that mean friend or relationship? The way things are going a relationship between a regime supporter and a long time non maga is in trouble. Sorta a microcosm of the nation.
  • edited April 18
    larryB said:

    Junkster. None of our business of course but when you say “my long time lady friend,” does that mean friend or relationship? The way things are going a relationship between a regime supporter and a long time non maga is in trouble. Sorta a microcosm of the nation.

    25 year romantic relationship. She is my neighbor. Prettiest blue eyes to such an extent that even at 76 years old strangers stop her on the streets to comment on her eyes. And without one bit of exaggeration have never seen her in a bad mood, always has a smile on her face, and never makes demands upon me. Our only stressor at times is when I ask her to change TV stations from Fox News. But she readily obliges. I can’t give that up!
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