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Stagflation - "This Economic Paradox Nearly Took Down Three Presidents.."

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/04/04/trump-stagflation-presidents-history-00270981

This Economic Paradox Nearly Took Down Three Presidents. Is Donald Trump Next?

...."What made Ford, Carter and Reagan so similar was that stagflation was a problem that was visited upon them, owing largely to exogenous or structural developments they had scant ability to control. Trump’s looming stagflation crisis, on the other hand, is one of his own making. The public was hard enough on past presidents who failed to fix the problem. Time will tell how just harshly voters will appraise Trump for potentially creating it.

Through aggressive tariffs and extreme cuts to the government workforce — as well as health, science and social service funding — Trump’s policies threaten to directly increase production costs and consumer prices, fueling inflation and almost guaranteeing that the Federal Reserve Board will keep interest rates high. Additionally, the resulting economic uncertainty discourages business investments and disrupts supply chains, which can stifle economic growth, setting the stage for higher unemployment.

Why would anyone elect to do this? Trump maintains that, contrary to what most economists believe, it will reinvigorate American industry in his nationalist vision. But those around the president would do well to brush up on their 1970s history. It isn’t pretty. "

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  • Thank you. We are not far from that scenario. Question is how do you plan your asset allocation ?
  • edited April 5
    What a comprehensive article.

    During that stagflation era, the S&P 500 was a net loser. Here's one "investment research" guy's piece on what worked and what didn't during that time; for stocks, "Overall, the 1970s was a lost decade for stock investors." Winners were Big Oil, commodities generally, real estate, precious metals, and some of the typical value stocks.

    Of course there's no guarantee that things would line up the same way now.
  • edited April 6
    "Of course there's no guarantee that things would line up the same way now."

    This is what economist nobel prize Krugman said (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/krugman-trump-global-recession-2016-231055)

    370 economists said the following in 11/2016 too
    (https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/01/370-top-economists-publish-scathing-letter-against-dangerous-destructive-trump.html)

    Nice article, but no solutions in sight.
    How many presidents/Gov promised to cut Gov spending and employees and make commerce fairer for Americans? Plenty, and none delivered.
    The closest one for generic solutions in my lifetime was Clinton, and why I voted twice for him. It can be done if both parties negotiate it and come up with compromise solutions. It's gone a long time ago, both parties and their supporters would not compromise.

    Obama initiated Bowles-Simson. The results were good, IMO. Obama shelved it. Read (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Fiscal_Responsibility_and_Reform)

    Angry posts will not change it.
  • edited April 6
    @Sven. Since 28 March 2025, I'm liking TBills, CDs, IG Bonds. I do think that since inflation will not be demand driven, Fed may step in down the road. That said, IG Bonds have not been the place to be for years. Hopes of lower rates have just not materialized.

    IG Corporate Bonds now paying 5-6% over10-20 years, callable though.

    Fun fact. In May 2007, height of market back then, I bought my retirement home putting 20% down and took a 30-year fixed mortgage paying 6.5%! So, I think years of ZIRP since have probably distorted my perspective on rates.
  • edited April 6
    In order to pull off a trade war scenario with tariffs across the board, you would need a surgeon's precision in terms of implementation (timing) and allocating %'s.

    Instead, we witness a butcher's plan - to force a sweeping movement all at once. Jam it out there. Reciprocal tariff rates range from 10% to 50%, with Asia getting the worst of it. Even an island inhabited mainly by penguins was included.

    Thus far, China, Canada and Mexico have all responded with retaliation tariffs. The EU will respond this week.

    There are not many positive scenarios for how this plays out. US factories cannot magically pick up the slack overnight, raw materials will still need to be imported, there will be supply chain issues galore, there will be inflation (rising prices), there could be jobs lost as a result, some countries will seek new trade partners, etc.

    If a plan is well thought out and strategically delivered, it has a better chance to succeed. This one reads like a hatchet job based on 1 individual's pet project. There is a reason why he was attached to 6 bankruptcies.

    This will simply be his largest one.
  • @Charles, lots of quick changes in bonds. Junk bonds that worked in last two years now are falling behind as the market is falling, while the safer and quality IG bonds are back this week. Quite a reversal. Yes, I like boring T bills, money market, and stable value as cash and cash equivalents. Now is not the time to catch a falling knife.

    Right now the FED is in a tight spot when the inflation remains elevated and getting worse. Watch for the labor market where recession starts.

    Is it economically feasible to reshoring manufacturing base to the States? Interesting but naive thinking in my honest opinion.

    @JD_co, the tariffs is more revealing that meets the eyes. Excerpt from WSJ article.
    But the tariff scheme he announced isn’t reciprocal and isn’t based on measuring foreign trade barriers. Instead, it simply measures bilateral trade deficits and comes up with tariff numbers from there. 
    Those are two very different things, and could be one reason why global financial markets are reacting so badly.
    The upshot is that, in the majority of cases, the Trump administration is now charging other countries more than what they charge the U.S.
    Take the case of Vietnam. The U.S. will now charge Vietnam a 46% tariff for its exports to the U.S. But Vietnam’s simple average tariff is 9.4%, and its weighted average tariff—which is adjusted to account for the share of products coming in under different tariff rates—is just 5.1%, according to data from the World Trade Organization.
    For Apple News subscribers, here is the link.
    https://apple.news/AP0d-np1rQOSoanLTvSkaVQ
  • edited April 7
    It's been discussed on a bunch of different threads.

    BOTH columns of data on the buffoon's tariffs plaque are materially wrong. (What a shock!)

    CNBC's Liesman exposed the material errors in the other country's column last Friday and Fmr DAL Fed Chair attested to his statements, stating,
    "Well, I know the Vietnam one is wrong because I negotiated it!"

    Our reciprocal tariffs use a flawed formula that only includes goods, and of course the significantly incorrect data in the other country's column.

    As a retired bean counter, or as anyone who finished elementary school math, how can you do anything further with this pile of crap until you admit you f*cked up the math and conduct a Do Over? (See Billy Crystal in City Slickers.)
  • edited April 7
    I researched the results of President Nixon's meddling with the Federal Reserve
    in light of President Trump's recent comments urging Jerome Powell to:
    "CUT INTEREST RATES, JEROME, AND STOP PLAYING POLITICS!”
    Some here may be interested in the findings.

    Richard Nixon demanded and Arthur Burns supplied an expansionary mon-
    etary policy and a growing economy in the run-up to the 1972 election. (page 178)

    Thus, a monetary stimulus helped to boost the economy in time for the 1972
    election, helping to deliver Nixon’s landslide victory. However, the excessive ag-
    gregate demand stimulation prior to the election created serious problems for the
    economy that took nearly a decade to resolve. (page 179)

    Regardless of the ultimate source of Arthur Burns’s motivation, his actions as
    Federal Reserve chair helped to trigger an extremely costly inflationary boom– bust
    cycle. By Election Day in 1972, the Fed had already started its monetary tightening.
    The federal funds rate had risen from 4.49 percent in July 1972 to 5.06 percent by
    Election Day. As Nixon had told Burns in February 1972, “I really don’t care what
    you do in [or after] April.” One year after the election, in November 1973, the
    Federal Reserve had hit the monetary policy brakes in earnest. In the year since the
    November 1972 election, the discount rate had been increased from 4.5 percent in
    July 1972 to 7.5 percent. The federal funds rate, which had been 4.49 percent in
    July 1972, jumped to 9.71 percent. But the civilian unemployment rate, as usual a
    lagging indicator, continued to plummet, falling to 4.8 percent in November 1973.
    The Nixon–Burns boom– bust cycle was underway. (page 187)

    The eventual elimination of wage and price controls in 1973 and the exces-
    sively aggressive monetary policy of 1971–72 produced an inflationary boom. The
    inflation rate measured by the change in the Consumer Price Index for 1973 was
    9.6 percent (as shown in Table 3). In response to the post-election Federal Reserve
    tightening, the economy swung into a recession in November 1973, one year after
    the election. The recession lasted until March 1975, but even this recession was
    insufficient to stop inflationary pressures. The inflation rate for 1975 was
    6.7 percent— higher than the rate that precipitated the earlier wage and price
    controls. It was not until Paul Volcker became chairman of the Federal Reserve in
    1979 and the 1980 – 82 recessions occurred that inflation was finally brought under
    control. During those recessions, the federal funds rate hit a record 15.61 percent
    (weekly average) and the unemployment rate rose to over 10 percent for ten
    months. Inflation was finally defeated, but at huge economic cost. (page 187)

    https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdf/10.1257/jep.20.4.177
  • edited April 7
    How many presidents/Gov promised to cut Gov spending and employees and make commerce fairer for Americans?
    There are certainly well-reasoned arguments to be made to identify ways to cut government spending and reduce government programs. But doing it well requires a reasonable cost-benefit analysis of those programs and where the unnecessary spending resides. Taking a dull, indiscriminate hatchet to all of government while proclaiming as your war cry the false straw man of “fraud, waste, and abuse” is just acting on sheer emotion.

    Similarly, the concept of “fairness” in trade requires better than using some nonsensical formula drafted by ChatGPT to create tariff rates which have no basis in the real world and which assume we operate in a 19th century commodity and goods-based economy, totally ignoring the impact of how much in services the US sells to the rest of the world.
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