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NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Shares of bond insurer MBIA (MBI_) jumped 5% following a landmark ruling that may give the company an upper hand in its long-running dispute with Bank of America (BAC_) over failed mortgage-backed securities.
In terms of Dan Loeb, you can bet with him if you want, but the shares are thinly traded at best and not something I'd really recommend, given that they can trade at massive discounts to NAV. TPNTF.PK = Third Point Offshore (US foreign ordinary shares for Loeb's London-listed Third Point Public fund) The Third Point public fund is up considerably YTD, but didn't do that well last year.
Hopefully Third Point RE will eventually become a public entity in the US.
TPTNF barely trades. The underlying bid/ask may move up/down with the London fund, but it may go days or weeks without a price change, then it catches up. Some brokerages do not offer trading in the TPNTF, it would appear, as well.
Grey Market Securities that are not listed on any stock exchange nor formally quoted on OTC Markets or OTCBB are considered to be in the Grey Market. Unsolicited transactions are processed independently and not centrally listed or quoted. Trades are reported to a self-regulatory organization (SRO), which then passes the data on to market data companies.
Third Point Public, for whatever reason, has continually traded at a discount - it actually reached a 50.1% discount to NAV in Dec. 2008.
There was the announcement of a possible ETF that would hold these funds by Global X last year. Unfortunately, that never happened.
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Don't fight the fed.
Don't bet against Dan Loeb.
And, when Bruce Berkowitz's says a stock is priced to die, listen up.
Hopefully Third Point RE will eventually become a public entity in the US.
Scott. Why is TPNTF trading at 20% discounts? The NAV performance looks ok to me...6.0% APR since June 2007.
Here is link to performance: http://www.thirdpointpublic.com/navshare-price/usd/
And, what does Grey Market OTC mean?
Grey Market
Securities that are not listed on any stock exchange nor formally quoted on OTC Markets or OTCBB are considered to be in the Grey Market. Unsolicited transactions are processed independently and not centrally listed or quoted. Trades are reported to a self-regulatory organization (SRO), which then passes the data on to market data companies.
Third Point Public, for whatever reason, has continually traded at a discount - it actually reached a 50.1% discount to NAV in Dec. 2008.
There was the announcement of a possible ETF that would hold these funds by Global X last year. Unfortunately, that never happened.
You can read more about these funds here:
http://www.mebanefaber.com/2009/01/28/listed-hedge-funds-3/
here:
http://www.mebanefaber.com/2012/08/13/hedge-fund-etf/
and
here:
http://www.mebanefaber.com/2012/03/27/13f-listed-hedge-funds-etfs-on-the-way/
They are also given a chapter in Mebane Faber's book, Ivy Portfolio.
TPNTF is neat in theory, but not something I'd recommend in terms of a few issues including the discount and illiquid nature.