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quick notes on a conversation with Teresa Kong, Matthews Asia Strategic Income

Dear friends,

I talked for about 45 minutes with Ms. Kong, who'd already visited the board, read and thought about your questions. Here's the short version of what I heard:

  • headline risk is the least of your worries. We started with the questions around Russia and Ukraine. Her position is that the outcome there is relatively short-term and difficult to predict. At the margins, the presence of NATO sanctions is causing wealthy Russians to move their money to Asian financial centers but those flows really aren't driving markets.
    the US is being irreversibly marginalized in global financial markets which is what you should be paying attention to. She's neither bemoaning nor celebrating this observation, she's just making it. At base, a number of conditions led to the US dollar becoming the world's hegemonic currency which was reinforced by the Saudi's decision in the early 1970s to price oil only in US dollars and to US investment flows driving global liquidity. Those conditions are changing but the changes don't seem to warrant the attention of editors and headline writers because they are so slow and constant. Among the changes is the rise of the renminbi, now the world's #2 currency ahead of the euro, as a transaction currency, the creation of alternative structures to the IMF which are not dollar-linked or US driven and a frustration with the US regulatory system (highlighted by the $9B fine against BNP Paribas) that's leading international investors to create bilateral agreements that allow them to entirely skirt us. The end result is that the dollar is likely to be a major currency and perhaps even the dominant currency, but investors will increasingly have the option of working outside of the US-dominated system.
  • the rising number of "non-rated" bonds is not a reflection on credit quality: the simple fact is that Asian corporations simply don't need American money to have their bond offerings fully covered and they certainly don't need to expense and hassle of US registration, regulation and paying for (compromised) US bond rating firms to rate them. In lieu of US bond ratings, there are Asia bond-rating firms (whose work is not reflecting in Morningstar credit reports) and Matthews does extensive internal research. The depth of the equity-side analyst corps is such that they're able "to tear apart corporate financials" in a way that few US investors can match.
  • India is fundamentally more attractive than China, at least for a fixed-income investor. Most investors enthused about India focus on its new prime minister's reform agenda. Ms. Kong argues that, by far, the more significant player is the head of Indian's central bank, who has been in office for about a year. The governor is intent on reducing inflation and is much more willing to deploy the central bank's assets to help stabilize markets. Right now corporate bonds in India yield about 10% - not "high yield" bond but bonds from blue chip firms - which reflects a huge risk premium. If inflation expectations change downward and inflation falls rather than rises, there's a substantial interest rate gain to be harvested there. The Chinese currency, meanwhile, is apt to undergo a period of heightened volatility as it moves toward a free float; that is, an exchange rate set by markets rather than by Communist Party dictate. She believes that that volatility is not yet priced in to renminbi-denominated transactions. Her faith is such that the fund has its second greatest currency exposure to the rupee, behind only the dollar.
  • the appointment of a new comanager is mostly a recognition of the strong contributions that person has made since joining the fund at inception. The new comanager is a credit specialist. The existing one is an interest rate specialist.
  • two factors seem to be constraining growth of AUM: (1) there's a general withdrawal from fixed-income in reflection of interest rate anxiety and that withdrawal seems to disproportionately impact non-core categories and (2) advisors are intrigued even to invest their own money in many cases but not yet ready to invest their clients. They seem to be waiting for a three year record and "clarity" in the market.
  • the fund's maximum drawdown continues to track the firm's expectations which is good given the number of developments which they couldn't have plausibly predicted before launch. They're sitting at a beta of about .30.


  • For what that's worth,

    David

Comments

  • beebee
    edited August 2014
    Thanks David,

    Owning MAINX provides the following country exposure as of 3/31/14:

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    The first and last (Cayman Islands and The British Virgin Islands) seems to hold some intrigue, especially the over weighting of the Cayman Island bond Issues.

    Any thoughts?

    Updated per AndyJ's link:
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  • Hi Bee,

    The Caymans are a tax haven. Pretty much all the debt issued there is not by the local government or local companies (same as most American companies headquartered in Delaware aren't really Delaware companies), so you'd have to dig into the individual issues to see where they're really from.
  • I might add that the category M* is using is the World Bond Category, so MAINX's holdings are never going to closely track those percentages. Ms. Kong's comments on the future of the U.S. Dollar are quite interesting and I should think would count as an additional argument for emerging market exposure. I'm an investor in MAINX and I found her comments to be very reassuring. Of course, I pretty much agree with them.
  • Thank you David. Very good to read about her views.
  • edited August 2014
    Yes, thanks for the detailed explanation of TK's views, David.

    Countries of the issuers are shown on the Matthews web site; see the lower half of the page, under 'Country Allocation.' This is another case where information from the source is more useful than M*'s aggregation.
  • Thank you David, very enlightening and showcases just how valuable MFO can be to the individual investor.
  • edited August 2014
    A great summary, thank you, David. About the decline in the dollar and the slow, gradual, USA decline; Hell, I've been noting that for decades already. That knowledge has directed my investing since I began. But I didn't really have money to invest until 2003. And I used that initial sum to invest in a Matthews fund: MACSX.
  • Thank you David for speaking with Ms. Kong. A lot of valuable information there from a 45 minute interview. As a shareholder of MAINX, I feel very good about the fund and the company and people behind it.

    It was enlightening to read that Ms. Kong checked out MFO before the interview. If you are reading this Teresa, thank you very much for the insights , especially on the dollar.
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  • This may be a good companion fund to pair with MAINX for more world wide E M fixed income exposure. At present Ms. Padilla and team are nearly 85% invested in various Latin American issues with a longer average maturity .I own both.
    DLENX July 31 fact sheet
    http://www.doublelinefunds.com/pdf/EM_Fact_Sheet_Monthly_Update.pdf
    Excerpts:
    Team continues to actively manage
    duration

    At year end 2012, DBLEX had a duration of 4.4 years compared to the 2013
    year end duration of 6.6 years. This shorter duration absorbed most of the impact from rising rates in 2013. The higher duration at the end of 2013 has contributed to out performance so far this year.

    We believe 10 year UST rates should remain range bound between 2.20-2.80%

    Top country allocations: Brazil, Mexico, Peru, and Guatemala all up double digits

    No local currency exposure in the fund, although the team continues to monitor opportunities
    DBLEX duration is 5.93 years; this is a result of positioning the portfolio
    in BB rated space where new issues have appeared to be
    attractively priced. These securities tend to have a shorter duration

    49% of portfolio is allocated to Investment Grade bonds

    Top sectors: Banking, telecommunications, consumer products, mining &
    oil, all of which are strategic sectors for an EM economy

    Consumer products aim to take advantage of rising income levels in EM countries
  • Since the comments on the merits of Indian bonds seemed intriguing, I Googled for an ETF or mutual Indian bond fund without success aside from those apparently limited to residents of India.
    Does anyone know of one I missed?
    I've been in MAINX with its ups and downs, but I wanted something more focused for a modest investment.
  • That might be a tough order STB. MAINX currently has 16% in India fixed income. There are other emerging market bond funds but this is the only one off the top of my head that is Asia focused.
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