Okay approximating using daily, weekly for monthly I don't like. And I do want free site doing "monthly". Harrrrummmpphhhhhh !!!!
Meanwhile discussing funds that went up today. PRLAX 3.57%. WTF !?!?!

Yahoo does a nice 200 day SMA, which is close enough to the 10 mo SMA...

In Yahoo Finance, click on Basic Tech Analysis tab...
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ta?s=DODGX&t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&p=m200&a=&c=
I use Schwab, through my 401. So, I get access to institutional shares, like WBMIX, at much lower minimums than direct with Whitebox.
Schwab has a 10 mo SMA chart opinion.
And, I tend to plot my own in Excel, downloading data via Yahoo Finance, for example.
I'm sure there are others, but off-hand, can't name them.
And, I'm being summoned to dinner!
Hope all is well.
c

Hi Guys,
I couldn’t agree more. Whether its gambling, stock speculation, or long-term investing, its always a necessary policy to know the odds and the likely payoff matrix.
That’s an easy assignment when tossing a pair of fair dice. All that is needed is to count the number of combinations that produce a desired outcome. The probability of throwing a “7” is exactly 6 out of 36 possible outcomes, or 16.667 %, with complete certainty.
Complete certainty is never possible given the complex interactions, the vicissitudes of unknowable events, and the emotional responses to the markets from both professional and amateur investors. Since calculation of precise odds are an impossibility, defaulting to an examination of historical records offer an appealing compromise. These data are especially practical when estimating the likelihood of severe market meltdowns to gauge portfolio risk and recovery times.
I’ve identified two references that provide this requisite frequency data. The data comes from two respected sources and considers two long periods to allow timeframe comparisons.
The first data set covers 50 years and was generated by the Ned Davis organization. It records the DJIA returns. Here is the Link:
http://www.americansuperior.com/bear.htm
The second data set covers a far more extended timeframe, and is an American funds product. It too shows DJIA past market declines dating from 1900 to 2013. Here is the Link:
https://www.americanfunds.com/resources/basics/risk-and-volatility/living-with-a-market-decline.html
Both references provide useful market downturn frequency tables that are subdivided by decline magnitudes. Please visit these resources. Both include some limited discussion of lessons learned and offer guidelines on how to soften the blows.
Good luck and good investing decisions to everyone. Being familiar with the hard statistical market meltdown data will improve your likelihood for good decision-making.
Best Regards.

WBMIX, of course.
FAAFX, likely due to this...

And, even SIGIX, a nice surprise.
Not bad given the continued hemorrhage.
And even a couple stocks...HCP (again) and SCHN (since it's been down so long, can't go down anymore... =) ).
I noticed too that DODIX is doing pretty well lately. If DODGX stays below 10 mo SMA by month's end, time to rotate back. First time will need to rotate out since started this strategy for this part of my portfolio, circa 2012 I think.
Bummer.

Wanted to always ask you. Why do you always quote Institutional shares, i.e. WBMIX and SIGIX?

WBMIX, of course.
FAAFX, likely due to this...

And, even SIGIX, a nice surprise.
Not bad given the continued hemorrhage.
And even a couple stocks...HCP (again) and SCHN (since it's been down so long, can't go down anymore... =) ).
I noticed too that DODIX is doing pretty well lately. If DODGX stays below 10 mo SMA by month's end, time to rotate back. First time will need to rotate out since started this strategy for this part of my portfolio, circa 2012 I think.
Bummer.

I listened to the whole thing. Sounds like a nice guy. But, like many stock market 'talkers' he leaves a lot to the listeners interpretation and leaves himself 'outs'.
Basically, he said the stock market valuation is high, not as high as 2000, and could go higher.
Let's put him in the same class as Art Cashin.

I also listened to the whole thing. Yes, very nice guy, won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2013 along with 2 others.
He says the current CAPE is 26, with a historical average of 15. But it was 45 in the year 2000. The current CAPE still suggests positive returns, but not nearly as high as expectations. CAPE in Europe is significantly lower, and much lower still in the PIGS or PIIGS countries and China. He said his theory would be to invest there, in the low CAPE countries, but he hesitated and said he wanted to think about that....Too bad the interview was so short and didn't cover bonds, except for the briefest mention of them. Would like to know Robert Shiller's thoughts on the bond market.

Dex, I am praying I have to pay that $250 at 2%. But at 1% I don't believe either of us will be happy (with you know what) I mean 1% could mean some serious economic problems worse than 2008 and you saw what you know what did in 2008.

Recently I was thinking on how I will spend that $500 when the US 10 year gets to 1%.

I found this interesting.
"Since 1928, markets have averaged about three 5 percent corrections each calendar year"
Were most MFOers aware of this? (I wasn't)

" "Fairholme's 13.2% annualized return has outperformed 99% of peers over 10 years. " (FAIRX's performance over the past five years since is at the 98th percentile.) "
The question for us Fairholme investors is, were the last 5 years mean reversion and Berkowitz has no particular talent, or were the first ten years the "mean" for him, and we'll soon revert back to that?
As far am I'm concerned, if the answer is the former, I may give up on active management except for very low-cost, group managed funds such as Vanguard's non-index offerings.

FYI: Fixed income gurus, financial media talking heads and asset managers have been forecasting rising interest rates for at least two years. They were (and still are) wrong.
Even as recently as one week ago, bond prices took a hit on news of a jobs report that showed a pickup in hiring last month, but prices picked back up this week after Fed minutes revealed that some participants wanted to err on the side of patience to keep supporting the world’s largest economy for longer than expected.
This type of mixed news and uncertainty is likely to continue as the fear of a weaker economy outweighs the fear of inflation. But even if rates start rising in 2015, as is currently expected, it doesn’t mean panic and mass exodus from bonds.
Needless to say, investors in bond funds have been challenged to do a good job of managing the fixed income portion of their portfolios. With that in mind, here are 3 bond funds to buy now for uncertain economic and market conditions.
Regards,
Ted
http://investorplace.com/2014/10/3-bond-funds-unpredictable-market/print

@Sven If you want to get in on the fun, Fidelity offers EVBAX load waived, with a $2,500 minimum. Hard to beat that

@Tampabay: I've never been a believer in the so called 'eating your own cooking' theory. I could care less if a fund manager has any money in the fund he/she manages. The proof in the pudding is what kind of returns do they get. There is no evidence that funds who's managers invest in them perform any better.
Regards,
Ted

Businessweek, Jan 14, 2010: "According to a July 2009 study by fund tracker Morningstar (MORN), managers with more than a $1 million stake in their own funds beat 58% of peers, on average, over the past five years. Funds with no manager investment beat 46% of peers."
Whether this is credible evidence is debatable, but there is evidence.
Now the next sentence in this article from almost five years ago reads: "Fairholme's 13.2% annualized return has outperformed 99% of peers over 10 years. " (FAIRX's performance over the past five years since is at the 98th percentile.)

The author writes that the Trinity Study was updated in 2009 (it was updated in 2011 using data through 2009), says he conducted his own "research" over a 23 year period covering the years 1988-2011 (that's 24 years, from Jan 1 1988 to Dec 31 2011), and uses a single 23 24 year period (a curiously odd number) rather than rolling 30 year periods as Trinity did.
If one is going to use a single time period, then instead of his choice of 1988-2011, one might look at 1973-2002 (a true 30 year period). Eyeballing suggests this is the worst postwar 30 year span - starting with the dreadful 1973-1974 bear market (-48%), 1980-82, 1987 (a quick 3 mo. loss of 33.5%), and ending with the 2000-2002 loss of 49.1%.
(I really don't know how bad this would come out; it is left as an exercise for the reader.)
Bear market data: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/37740147/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/t/historic-bear-markets/
Annual Returns on Stock, T.Bonds and T.Bills: 1928 - Current
http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/datafile/histretSP.html

American Funds
https://www.americanfunds.com/resources/tax/capital-gains/index.html
Aquila Funds
http://aquilafunds.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/CapGainEst-9-15-2014.pdf
Diamond Hill Funds
http://www.diamond-hill.com/wp-content/uploads/DHF-year-to-date-capital-gains-as-of-9-30-14.pdf
SunAmerica Funds
https://www.safunds.com/pdf/Tax-Center/Cap-Gains-Estimate/asset_upload_file222_7170.pdf
Sentinel Investments
https://www.sentinelinvestments.com/pdf/capgainsdist-est2014.pdf

"It seems I delay in taking the profit & or gain. Does anyone care to chime in as to what they would do ?" Derf
On all my profitable holdings(losers are a different question) I set a STOP PROFIT figure:
For example: if I want/need 8% yr from my investments, and I am up 30-40% after 3yrs, I set a figure of 25% profit as a SELL figure, then if the investment goes down I have a good sale, If the investment goes up later, I don't care, I got my 8% a yr., that's what I wanted it the first place...easy peasy
GREAT for current market as we all have Good/great gains for the last few years, WHY give them back? Take your 8% yr (or whatever) and run with what you have or wanted to make...tb

I think its a difficult question to answer because, in my case, the exit strategy would be based on the underlying beliefs that lead to the investment in the first place. If its only poor relative performance for some period of time, then my exit strategy would be based on achieving superior relative performance and normally I would exit a portion at a time based on what I believed the ultimate potential was. So for instance, if I achieved 60% of the objective I might take some or all of the profits.
Even if it achieved what I thought the potential was, I'd still keep 25-40% of my position in case that sector overshoots what I think is reasonable. And I would always have a stop loss in mind or in place, because if I'm wrong I wouldn't want to lose too much. Especially after achieving what I thought the full potential was, I'd be less and less willing to accept downside before closing the position.

Howdy @Dex,
The article didn't go into the fact that the TIPs also reflect movement towards quality when, "the band is on the run".
TIP and TIPs fund were up an average of 1.1% the past week; with the exception being the short duration stuff, which is only about +.5 for the year. On the other hand, long duration TIPs, as with LTPZ are +2.3% for the week and + 17% YTD.
One will likely find a mix of holdings with an active managed TIPs fund; with ranges of duration, as well as a mix of IG corp bonds.
We have held a few TIPs funds since February of this year; and held through the recent selloff mentioned in the article.
I note the above, that TIPs are interesting; as these will have ups and downs for a variety of reasons; and not necessarily related strictly to deflation/inflation expectations.
We hold this sector; in spite of the fact that we continue to find deflation a continued circumstance to monitor.
Take care,
Catch

Hi Guys,
“Yet, many clients continue to believe that their managers can and will outperform. (The triumph of hope over experience is clearly not confined to repetitive matrimony.) Even though no major manager has done so, the average US institutional client somehow expects its chosen group of active investment managers to outperform annually, after fees, by a cool 100 bps.”
So too do individual investors although I suspect their outperformance expectations vastly exceed the 100 basis points that institutional agencies seek.
This extended quote is from Charles Ellis’ paper “The Rise and Fall of Performance investing”. That paper was the primary reference that supported the article by Scott Burns that Ted linked earlier today. I always prefer to examine the primary source directly whenever possible. Here is a repost of the Ellis link:
http://www.cfapubs.org/doi/pdf/10.2469/faj.v70.n4.4
Ellis concluded that “ Often blinded by optimism, clients continued to see the fault as somehow theirs and so gamely continued to try to find Mr. Right Manager, presumably believing there were no valid alternatives. ………. And active managers continue to fail to outperform. Table 1 shows the grim reality of how few funds have outperformed their indices after adjusting for survivorship bias over the 15 years to year-end 2011.”
This article motivated me to explore the potential return penalties that might be coupled to our search for superior active fund managers. I used the data reported in various parts of the Ellis paper.
Roughly one-third of active managers outdo their benchmarks by about 1.0 % annually. Two-thirds of active managers underperform their benchmarks by about 1.5% annually. These asymmetric outcomes are based on a recent 10-year summary period. Cost drag is a major factor.
Therefore, simply put, the average net Excess Returns for a single actively managed mutual fund is: (1/3 X 0.010) – (2/3 X 0.015) = -0.00667 or -0.667% annually.
To illustrate the impact of this average negative Excess Return on a portfolio consider a few scenarios like 1 or 3 active fund positions on a totally active portfolio or on a portfolio with a 50/50 split between active and Index holdings.
If an all Index equity portfolio delivers an 8.00% annual reward, the 1 and 3 unit active fund components for an all actively managed portfolio will generate 7.33% and 6.00% annually on average. For the 50/50 mixed active/passive portfolio, the annual returns would be 7.67% and 7.00%, respectively. On average, such is the price for seeking positive Excess Returns from risky actively managed mutual funds.
To overcome this penalty, the investor must seek and find active managers who reliably and persistently generate positive Alpha. That’s a tough task. As Ellis highlights, such winners most often do not repeat.
In doing this analysis, another question surfaced. Picking an average active fund manager is a losing tactic. How much better does the selection screen have to be to secure a positive Excess Return? What are odds? Using the same data and the same net Excess Returns equation, it appears that the screen must eliminate almost two-thirds of all active fund managers (60% by calculation). That seems like a workable task. But again, performance persistency remains a dubious challenge.
Thank you Ted for posting the primary reference. I encourage all MFOers to read the Ellis document. It rings a bell. Active mutual fund investing is an uphill battle.
Best Regards.

As always, RTFM - read the fine manual (prospectus). Here are a couple of samples from bond funds (equity funds will clearly be trading):
Vanguard Short Term Bond Index Fund (p. 43): "A fund also may use fair-value pricing on bond market holidays when the fund is open for business (such as Columbus Day and Veterans Day)."
Everybody's "favorite" bond fund (or punching bag, as the case may be) Pimco Total Return:

The Trust is "open for business" on each day the NYSE is open for trading, which excludes the following holidays: New Year's Day, Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, Presidents' Day, Good Friday, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day. If the NYSE is closed due to weather or other extenuating circumstances on a day it would typically be open for business, the Trust reserves the right to treat such day as a Business Day and accept purchase and redemption orders and calculate a Fund's NAV, in accordance with applicable law. A Fund reserves the right to close if the primary trading markets of the Fund's portfolio instruments are closed and the Fund's management believes that there is not an adequate market to meet purchase, redemption or exchange requests.

That last part is interesting. Given the rate of redemptions from this fund, and the fact that the "primary trading markets of the Fund's portfolio instruments are closed", it sounds like Pimco might choose not to trade tomorrow. Seems that the prospectus leaves the choice up to the fund, and you'd have to call to know for sure.