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  • SFGIX, WTF
    So a while back, Foster wrote an article saying that for a ~ 20 year horizon people need to load up on Chinese equities (or something along those lines). So that may dictate where him and his team will be investing. I know that FPIVX (not an EM dedicated fund) bought a lot of Brazilian equities a little while ago. Just an FYI. I hold both SFGIX, SFVLX and FPIVX. Foster also mentioned that if China does crash, then people (again with a 20 year horizon) should buy even more Chinese equities.
  • SFGIX, WTF
    @Derf
    I presume you're asking about the composition of SFGIX. If so, go to the link below.
    Bookmark this link for future use for checking other tickers. You don't need to login to view decent data. For future checks, as with GASFX, enter the symbol at the top right search box, then select what you want to view; as with this link for composition.
    I find the page layout informative and easy to read.
    My 2 cents as to SFGIX, is being in a few places at the wrong times; or perhaps something else managers were hoping. Brazil and South Korea have been problematic for the past year, and other exposure to the Asia area is more of a problem with the current circumstances.
    SFGIX composition
    Lastly, I couldn't find a specific listing for the symbol, WTF , MikeM placed in the subject line. :)
  • SFGIX, WTF
    @Derf: Apparently the EM index is 74% Asia. Here's SFGIX, showing its benchmark alongside the fund's holdings (scroll down to "World Regions"):
    Benchmark
    And here's EEM, the MSCI index, corroborating the 74%:
    EEM (EM index fund)
    I recall the index as being in the 60s a few years back (haven't owned an EM equity fund in a while), so Asia's expanded.
    There are different ways to parse what's EM and what's not, tho. Maybe the more developed east Asian nations skew the proportion if they're included in the count; I don't have Premium, so can't check the country-by-country list of the EM benchmark on M*, but the main portfolio page does show 25% developed Asian economies (per M*, apparently) in the "diversified EM" benchmark.
  • SFGIX, WTF
    Anyone else have this thought; is SFGIX, Seafarer Overseas Growth and Income, really a diversified EM fund? I've continued to believe in the manager, but it is getting hard to justify holding what appears to be an Asian fund when you thought you were holding a diversified EM fund. Per M* it holds almost 80% of it's equities in the Asian region.
    If Foster is not going to move on from his Asian roots, I may have too.
  • Only EM for Foreign Exposure
    I would not. Just don't see how the risk-reward would justify that "bet".
    Do you know SFGIX, though called an EM fund, is 50:50 Developed and EM markets (per M*)? NEWFX is 55% Developed, 45% EM. DWGAX 38% Developed market. If you look at an "International fund like DODFX, they have 20% in EM.
    I guess where I'm going with that, many of these foreign funds are a mix of Developed and EM countries and their managers know more than me or you (well, me anyway). You have to dig into a funds portfolio to be pure one or the other. Maybe just leave it up to the EM fund manager to decide.
  • Chuck Jaffe's Money Life Show: Guest: Andrew Foster, Manager , Seafarer Overseas G&I Fund: (SFGIX)
    FYI: (Slide mouse to 16:30 minutes for Andrew Foster interview.)
    Andrew Foster, portfolio manager at the Seafarer Growth and Income Fund, said he expects 2019 to be better for emerging markets than last year was, but warned that it won't be a great year, just better than the recent past. More importantly, with emerging markets coming back, he expects them to deliver the diversification benefits that they mostly have fallen short of in recent years. Also on the show, Gerg McBride of BankRate.com discusses they pay raises workers are expecting -- or not -- for the year ahead, David Trainer of New Constructs reviews his top Danger Zone picks from 2018, and Tom Plumb of the Plumb Funds has the Market Call.
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/moneylife-with-chuck-jaffe/e/58176652?autoplay=true
    M*: Snapshot SFGIX:
    https://www.morningstar.com/funds/xnas/sfgix/quote.html
    Lipper Snapshot SFGIX:
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/fund/sfgix
    SFGIX Is Unranked In The (DEM) Fund Category By U.S. News & World Report:
    https://money.usnews.com/funds/mutual-funds/diversified-emerging-mkts/seafarer-overseas-growth-and-income-fund/sfgix
  • Suggestions on international funds or ETFs
    Foreign stock funds have been dead money in my portfolio for many years. My funds all have relatively good long-term returns compared to comparable funds, but foreign stocks in general have sucked for the past decade or longer. That said, I recently rebalanced my portfolio, adding to my foreign funds under the premise that sooner or later they will outperform US stocks.
    My funds (in various IRA and 401k) accounts include ARTKX, MAPIX, SFGIX, PSILX and a total international index fund. However, it’s hard for me to recommend any of them because the returns have all been so terrible in recent years.
  • anyone adding to emerging market positions?
    I use PRIDX. It's all over the map, with 12.5% in EM. I re-deployed profits earlier this year and am letting the principal ride. I held SFGIX for several years, almost since inception, but unloaded it.
  • End Of Third Quarter: How Have Your Funds Done YTD ?
    Typical year really, some up, some down and many basically standing still.
    FCNTX - 16.85%
    POAGX - 17.35
    DSENX - 13.2
    MGGPX - 11.2
    MTUM - 16.3
    THQ - 15.4
    SFGIX - (9.26)
    MAPIX - (3.15)
    UTG - (2.66)
  • SFGIX/SIGIX Open Again?
    Quick note while we're waiting.
    Andrew's latest shareholder letter is (perhaps too long but) informative. At base, he thinks the ground has shifted in the EMs with China's rise as a sort of stabilizing force. That meant that the "Steady Eddy" stocks that are the centerpieces of the SFGIX portfolio are marginally less valuable: they lose too much upside for the downside protection they offer. He's making modest changes in process that will favor stocks on the tails of the growth-value distribution. Not major shifts, he stresses, but more appreciation for their potential contribution.
    Might be a coincidence but the fund has had top 10% returns over the summer.
    Back to waiting,
    David
  • SFGIX/SIGIX Open Again?
    Clearly. Trying to imagine why you would charge such a thing. Guess you have not studied in detail its changing fortunes the last few years. 5.5y ago DS mentioned its defensive stance to an extent (http://www.mutualfundobserver.com/2013/03/seafarer-overseas-growth-income-sfgix/) but not more recently (https://www.mutualfundobserver.com/2015/05/seafarer-overseas-growth-income-sfgixsigix-may-2015/). See also its M* star changes over time.
    In any case it invests in EM; who would think "philosophy should protect capital in down markets" of any such vehicle?
    It is fascinating to me to read that investments which do not pan out, or not quickly enough, are somehow the result of defocusing, as though effort and will and hard thinking and other notionally causal behaviors can and will preclude outcomes like @MikeM quoted. That's why I wondered if he doubled down on those overreacted-to stocks.
    I have been reading Foster for years, back to Matthews, interesting guy. But some months, and longer, the bear eats you.
  • SFGIX/SIGIX Open Again?
    I see no evidence that total assets is the culprit for SFGIX under-performance. 2.2B is not at all to high for an EM fund concentrated on large caps. Look at the T. Rowe Price fund, PREMX. It has 5.5B in assets. 2.2B for a large cap fund should not be a problem IMHO.
    Read what Foster says in his reviews. He is pretty honest about the funds short-falls and under-performance. Basically, wrong bets on stock picks, countries and sectors. He talks about how he thought he positioned the fund for downside protection - and it didn't pan out. Quite honest.
    The Fund’s poor performance relative to the benchmark stemmed from several holdings that produced acceptable financial results, but which disappointed some segment of investors (but not Seafarer). Many of these companies operate in the information technology sector, either in software or manufacturing: Venture of Singapore (a contract manufacturer of high-end electronic devices); TOTVS of Brazil (a commercial software company); and Delta of Taiwan (a diversified manufacturer of electronic systems and components). These three companies saw their share prices slump sharply in response to passable (but apparently disappointing) results. In all three cases, I believe the market’s response was grossly over-exaggerated.
    https://www.seafarerfunds.com/funds/ogi/portfolio-review#performance-review
  • SFGIX/SIGIX Open Again?
    I know that Seafarer's website states that SFGIX/SIGIX are closed, but I just noticed that it appears that you can purchase them through Vanguard & Schwab (not on Fidelity though) - have these funds re-opened?
  • Buy-Sell-Ponder, anticipating April, 2018
    I'll share...
    What seems to be working in my portfolio YTD:
    FSUTX - strong steady Mo (momentum) since March 2018
    FSMEX - Strong Mo
    FSRPX - Strong Mo
    POAGX - Aggressive active management
    PRMTX - Keeps on impressing. A category over-achiever
    VHCOX - Aggressive active management
    PRNHX - a small position that has had a big year YTD (investors remorse, wish I owned more)
    USNQX - Volatile, but rewarding
    Steady Eddy's (have good risk-reward characteristics):
    PRWCX - Love this funds goal... "achieve market returns with 2/3rd the downside risk"
    VMVFX - a new fund that seems worth DCA into
    FMIJX - A short lived fund (2011) that offers exposure outside the US
    BRUFX - Manager continues to reduce downside risk while optimizing upside
    BTBFX - I was impressed with how this fund navigated 2008
    VHT - Healthcare seems to be a fund for all seasons
    PRHSX - ditto HC
    What seems to have faltered:
    PRIDX - Struggling, but a hold for me...down 2% YTD
    SFGIX - Highly correlated losses with EM losses...down 11% YTD
    VWO - Strong US currencies are making EM markets less profitable...down 10% YTD
    HJPSX - A country that has relied very heavily on QE for Equity-Inflation
    VWINX - having a rare negative year
    MINDX - Seems to catch cold when EM sneezes
    PONAX - We've parted ways...small position
    PARWX - A new position
    Ticker YTD Perf Port WT
    VHT 12.20% 0.21%
    VHCOX 11.10% 5.43%
    VWINX -1.04% 2.26%
    PRHSX 13.72% 6.53%
    PRNHX 20.11% 0.11%
    PRIDX -1.96% 4.87%
    PRMTX 9.70% 2.88%
    PRWCX 6.19% 14.64%
    BRUFX 3.46% 4.89%
    POAGX 13.08% 15.53%
    VWO -9.95% 1.58%
    PONAX -0.39% 0.27%
    SFGIX -11.26% 4.51%
    FMIJX -1.27% 4.58%
    MINDX -2.07% NA
    USNQX 15.82% NA
    FSRPX 19.47% 4.82%
    FSMEX 19.62% 4.34%
    VMVFX 6.28% 2.38%
    BTBFX 5.67% 2.38%
    FRIFX 1.84% 2.28%
    HJPSX -5.11% 2.10%
    FSUTX 10.25% 2.45%
    PARWX New 3.96%
    USAXX Cash 7%
    Allocation Weights/Returns YTD
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  • Sector Performance Breakdown Since The 1/26 Peak: Utilities + 4.99%
    Tough holdings for me since 1/26/2018:
    SFGIX (actively managed) & VWO (EMM Index)- Both down almost 15 % in steady decline. Active management doesn't seem to be offering much downside protection:
    image
  • Seafarer Fund's Thoughts on China
    @bee,
    Not trying to be nitpick here. Please let me clarify what I said earlier. Prior to forming SFGIX, Andrew Foster was the lead manager of several Asia-centric funds at Matthews Asia Funds since 1998. This places his track record back to 20 years, not 10 years. His stellar record is exemplified in Matthews Asia Growth & Income fund, MACSX from 2003-2011 (8 years), the Dividend fund, MAPIX for 6 years and the India fund, MINDX for 5 years.
    David Snowball has written a detailed profile on Foster's approach and I couldn't come close to write a such as thoughtful analysis. So here is the link.
    mutualfundobserver.com/2013/03/seafarer-overseas-growth-income-sfgix/
    I started to invest with MACSX in 2000 when I noticed the fund is holding up much better than VWO during the height of tech bubble from 2000-2002. It taught me a lesson that those "tortoise" funds are more likely to be successful for their investors because they limit the downside loss. When the annual returns are compounded over time and through several market cycles, the total return can be fully captured. Many investors who move in and out of the mutual funds tend to have much lower returns than the market returns.
    Coincidentally, I also like MAPIX (Bob Horrocks), FMIJX (Alex English), and PRWCX (David Giroux).
  • Seafarer Fund's Thoughts on China
    M* has a long current discussion of SFGIX:
    http://socialize.morningstar.com/NewSocialize/forums/p/384620/3946110.aspx#PageIndex=1
    A poster there pointed out it is 50/50 EM/developed markets.
  • Seafarer Fund's Thoughts on China
    @crash
    Yeah I've been pondering what to do with SFGIX. I could take its underperformance when EM was doing well last year thinking that it would perform better in a down market. But that hasn't been the case. I've been thinking of selling. Curious what everyone else is doing with this .
    Keeping a toehold and have it under observation. Sold the bulk of it. Not a fan of clutter in my portfolio, but several times, I've sold out of a closed fund out of frustration and regretted it when the fund starts outperforming and I'm on the outside looking in.
  • Seafarer Fund's Thoughts on China
    @Sven. SFGIX hasn't been around for 10 years. Inception date looks like 2/15/2012...so closer to 6 years. I'll agree that it has out performed the index (a fund such as VWO), but SFGIX is not an all equity fund (closer to 70/15/15 over its lifetime).
    70% EM
    15 % of his fund is in LT and IT Treasuries
    15% of his fund is classified as "Ex - US Develop"
    I compared his fund to a "2 fund combo of PRMSX & PREMX" (70/30). The trade off here is SFGIX opts for US Treasuries where PREMX is most EM Corporates.
    Similar results...so nothing special here.
    But, over shorter time frames he does a good job of managing downside risk.
    I Like MAPIX, FMIJX, PRWCX for the same reason.
    Fund managers that manage downside risk and deploy into opportunities are hard to find.