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  • Global Investors Have New Reason To Pull Back From U.S. Debt (on hiatus pending a surge of comity)
    For the year to date SPY is up 6.41%. That it gained 25%+ on paper means nothing to me because it came on the back of a loss of -15.3% to start the year. Mix in the magic fairy dust of the tariff tantrum baby and what have we got? Big gains maybe by the insiders who knew ahead of time but the average Joe Blow investor might be up by 6.41% unless they sold. Fun with numbers right?
  • David Giroux on autonomous trucks + brief look at Barron’s Mid Year Roundtable
    The prevailing exuberance—and preponderance of nosebleed valuations—hasn’t been lost on the members of the Barron’s Roundtable
    I support the idea that the SP500 would not perform as well in the next 10 years as it did in the last 10 years.
    Unfortunately, valuations are not a good indicator of an accurate future performance or when markets will correct.
    Many times the markets go down based on other unique situations.
    2008-the MBS fiasco
    2020-covid
    2022-Fed rapid rate hike.
    Prof Shiller created PE10(P/E over 10 years) which supposed to predict performance based on valuation better than PE
    On 05/2012 (the link for this article doesn't work anymore)
    Question: You have become famous for your cyclically adjusted 10-year price/earnings ratio. What do the latest numbers say about future stock market returns?
    Shiller: we found a correlation between that ratio and the next 10 years' return.
    If you plug in today's P/E of about 22, it would be predicting something like an annualized 4% return after inflation.
    FD: reality, the SP500 made about 11% after inflation in the next 10 years (04/31/2012-04/31/2022). It was much better than countries with lower PE10 such as Emerging markets.
  • Global Investors Have New Reason To Pull Back From U.S. Debt (on hiatus pending a surge of comity)
    >>>>What encourages investors to buy (add to) stocks (or bonds) at this point? Is anyone here increasing stock or bond allocations? If so, what is your rationale?<<<<
    What can’t be ignored is we just had a 25%+ gain in the S@P over a three month period. A rare event that has only occurred five times since 1950. Most recently in 2020 and 2009 when things looked pretty bleak just as many think things look pretty bleak now. After those 3 month 25% gains going forward another year out all previous periods were positive with average gain of another 22%. So stay tuned. Listen to the signals not the headlines. Back in April all sorts of rare bullish signals kicked in but everyone seemed more focused on the negative headlines.
  • Global Investors Have New Reason To Pull Back From U.S. Debt (on hiatus pending a surge of comity)
    Instead of the above thinking, a better way is to look at relativity and how to make money.
    After the dollar’s steepest half-year drop in decades, investors see continued declines ahead.
    The 24/7 media always love to make statements like this. Let's look deeper:
    1) During 2020, the dollar fell more than in 2025.
    2) The Dollar is still 45% ahead since 2014, including the last decline.
    See the chart (https://schrts.co/BxMautbM)
    Receding confidence in the dollar is driving investors to sell dollars and buy gold and other major currencies.
    Gold usually goes up when the dollar declines; nothing new here.

    The dollar is unlikely to lose its dominance quickly
    I doubt the dollar will lose its dominance.
    Is the euro going to take over? Europe has been in decline for at least 10-15 years.
    China? Can anyone trust them?
    No one else is big enough.
    The dollar's decline means that international will do better.
    Already in mid-February, the charts showed that VGK (Europe) + VXUS (international) are doing better. See the chart (https://schrts.co/egMBCBBW). All you had to do is buy more of what is doing better.
    Bonds follow the same plan. See the chart (https://schrts.co/YvzfUvjq).
    As a mainly bond trader, for the first time in my life I own a huge % in international bonds. My job is to invest based on current markets; I don't invest based on politics or narrative.
    So, what to do next? Follow the markets, AKA current charts and prices.
  • 25 best mutual funds of all time Oct 2019
    A very large thread topic drift has taken place …
    True. And there’s been a lot of “drift” since @equalizer first initiated this thread in January 2020. It was before Joe Biden was elected President. It would be another month or so before “Covid” became a household word. You could refinance a mortgage for around 3%. Money market funds yielded around 1%. Beer was cheaper.
    There is some semblance however. The OP dealt with attempting to rank the best 25 mutual funds. I won’t get into a rant on that, but I agree with @equalizer’s general sentiment as he expressed it then. Playboy as I recall also featured every month ”25 of the best”. Perhaps risqué for the day. Passé by today’s standards.
    “Greed and Grit on Wall Street”? I don’t think that’s changed much since Lou highlighted it in ‘87.
  • Vanguard Cost-Basis Change
    Why is SpecID still available for market orders?
    Market orders are executed immediately at the current market price, making it easier to match the specified shares with the sale. This immediacy aligns well with the SpecID method, ensuring that the chosen shares are accurately sold.
    This seems to be the key issue regarding specific shares and limit orders. And it raises a question I hadn't thought about that applies to other brokerages as well:
    If I specify which shares are to be sold and the order is only partially filled, which of the shares I specified were sold?
    A brokerage might impose an all-or-none requirement to address this problem. (Though if this 2020 VBS agreement is still accurate, Vanguard doesn't allow AON orders.)
    The workaround I suggested - specifying shares after transaction executes but before end of settlement date - would deal with this problem.
    Apparently the Vanguard notice went out to some customers six months ago. See this Bogleheads thread:
    https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=447407
    One poster there got two workarounds from Vanguard customer support. The one I mentioned above, and another that wouldn't work for a speedy sale.
    https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8261416#p8261416
  • Vanguard Cost-Basis Change
    A Vanguard rep notified a high-net-worth Flagship investor about an August change to its cost-basis policy.
    This change will impact Vanguard investors who use SpecID as their default cost-basis method.
    AFAIK, Vanguard has not made any official announcements regarding this change.
    From Jeff DeMaso's IVA Weekly Brief for Wednesday, July 9:
    "Vanguard is updating its cost-basis policy, specifically around the use of SpecID, or specific share identification.
    With SpecID, you tell Vanguard which 'share lots' you’re selling, so that you can generate
    the lowest capital gains (or the highest if you’re trying to match losses elsewhere in your portfolio).
    SpecID is the method I use in my accounts because it gives me the most flexibility.
    Yes, it requires more manual effort, but I think it’s worth it."

    "Now, Vanguard isn’t eliminating SpecID—but they are making it harder to use by removing it
    as a default option for your accounts.
    In the future, you’ll only be able to use SpecID when placing market orders, and to do so,
    you’ll need to take an extra step or two when trading."

    "If you have SpecID as your default method, you’ll need to choose a new one or accept Vanguard’s choice
    of one of four different methods—average cost, first in–first out (FIFO), highest in–first out (HIFO) or MinTax."
  • Stagflation
    A tighter labor market, tariffs on $3.4 trillion of imports, tax cut stimulus, and a high level of government spending are all happening. This is not even questionable.
    The question is not whether or not these are all inflationary pressures. They are classic inflationary pressures. The question is how much inflation they produce. The FEDs hands will be tied. In a tight labor market unemployment will not necessarily rise severely, but wages will go up as businesses compete for scarce resources. The FED may actually have to raise rates, unless they kowtow to political pressure and let inflation run which would be disastrous.
    The FED may be unable to ride to the rescue, with unemployment only incrementally higher & inflation rising, if GDP slows as it is projected to do by nearly every source.
    From the linked article: "The economy is likely to enter a period of slow growth in the 1% to 2% range. Inflation will hover between 3% to 4%, and unemployment will rise to 4.5% to 5%. While these economic conditions don’t match the double-digit interest rates and inflation and chronically high unemployment of the 70s, the stagflation-lite economic framework will still shock consumers.
    Yes, the economy is likely to experience a sugar high following the coming tax cuts, which will temporarily send growth to 3% or higher. But the combination of new tariffs, tighter immigration policies, and sustained annual budget deficits will soon act as a drain on private sector investment as firms and households are priced out of the market."
    This implies that there may still money to be made in the 3Q of 2025. But that the whole shebang will coalesce into bad juju at some point not too far off. If inflation hits, GDP falls and the FED raises rates, I would assume that both stocks and bonds take a hit. Cash and cash equivalents may still be a good bet.
    Some relevant comments from Roubini in this article:
    https://www.bitget.com/news/detail/12560604851369
    Roubini has been one of the worst economic predictors, costing investors a lot of performance. See quote below from wiki (link).
    This is why he is among the "best" market predictors (here).
    Lastly, in 1-2 years from now we will revisit this thread.
    However, financial journalist Justin Fox observed in the Harvard Business Review in 2010 that "In fact, Roubini didn't exactly predict the crisis that began in mid-2007... Roubini spent several years predicting a very different sort of crisis — one in which foreign central banks diversifying their holdings out of Treasuries sparked a run on the dollar — only to turn in late 2006 to warning of a U.S. housing bust and a global 'hard landing'. He still didn't give a perfectly clear or (in retrospect) accurate vision of how exactly this would play out... I'm more than a little weirded out by the status of prophet that he has been accorded since."[27][28][29] Others noted that: "The problem is that even though he was spectacularly right on this one, he went on to predict time and time again, as the markets and the economy recovered in the years following the collapse, that there would be a follow-up crisis and that more extreme crashes were inevitable. His calls, after his initial pronouncement, were consistently wrong. Indeed, if you had listened to him, and many investors did, you would have missed the longest bull market run in US market history."[30][31][32][33] Another observed: "For a prophet, he's wrong an awful lot of the time."[34] Tony Robbins wrote: "Roubini warned of a recession in 2004 (wrongly), 2005 (wrongly), 2006 (wrongly), and 2007 (wrongly)" ... and he "predicted (wrongly) that there'd be a 'significant' stock market correction in 2013."[35] Speaking about Roubini, economist Anirvan Banerji told The New York Times: "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day," and said: "The average time between recessions is about five years ... So, if you forecast a recession one year and it doesn't happen, and you repeat your forecast year after year ... at some point the recession will arrive."[36][10] Economist Nariman Behravesh said: "Nouriel Roubini has been singing the doom-and-gloom story for 10 years. Eventually something was going to be right."[17]
    In January 2009, Roubini predicted that oil prices would stay below $40 for all of 2009. By the end of 2009, however, oil prices were at $80.[34][37] In March 2009, he predicted the S&P 500 would fall below 600 that year, and possibly plummet to 200.[38] It closed at over 1,115 however, up 24%, the largest single-year gain since 2003. CNBC's Jim Cramer wrote that Roubini was "intoxicated" with his own "prescience and vision," and should realize that things are better than he predicted; Roubini called Cramer a "buffoon," and told him to "just shut up".[34][39] Although in April 2009, Roubini prophesied that the United States economy would decline in the final two quarters of 2009, and that the US economy would increase just 0.5% to 1% in 2010, in fact the U.S. economy in each of those six quarters increased at a 2.5% average annual rate.[40] Then in June 2009 he predicted that what he called a "perfect storm" was just around the corner, but no such perfect storm ever appeared.[41][40] In 2009 he also predicted that the US government would take over and nationalize a number of large banks; it did not happen.[42][43] In October 2009 he predicted that the price of gold "can go above $1,000, but it can't move up 20-30%"; he was wrong, as the price of gold rose over the next 18 months, breaking through the $1,000 barrier to over $1,400.[43]
    Although in May 2010 he predicted a 20% decline in the stock market, the S&P actually rose about 20% over the course of the next year (even excluding returns from dividends).[44] In 2012, Roubini predicted that Greece would be ejected from the Eurozone, but that did not happen.[45] The Financial Times observed that in 2020 when the COVID-19 pandemic arrived, he said that policymakers would not mount a large fiscal response. However—they did.[46] Also in 2020, he predicted that a US-Iran war was likely.[46]
  • How the Largest Bond Funds Did in Q2 2025
    @DrVenture, thank you for sharing. The falling dollar since Dec 2024 was concerning when it fallen 9% YTD. The question of whether the dollar remains as the world last resort have been brought up several times. The last downgrade by Moody due to increased deficit is alarming and it is getting worse, not better with the latest tax cut bill. Since late last year, we rebalanced from US to developed and emerging market aggressively and made considerable gains.
    With our retirement are coming up, we want to takes some equity risk of the table and focus on better multi-sector and foreign bonds, and not so much with treasury, especially long bond. In all cases, we are staying with short duration in light of inflation still lingering.
    My concerns are the following :
    1. Staginflation
    2. Can US continue to finance its deficient by selling long bonds ? Bessent said her can takes care of that.
    3. What will happen when on one would work on the fields and meat packing factories?
    My opinion is very fungible, because a lot is based on changing circumstances. But, it sounds like we are in a similar position and have a similar approach. Some de-risking, and chasing returns where possible at the same time. One of the notions that has me on the fence is what is going to happen with rates.
    IMO, what happens in fields and meat-packing (and construction, and hospitality, and manufacturing) is that wages will come up significantly, to attract workers. Labor competition could get crazy. Irony adjacent is that so many were adamantly against minimum wage increases for so long, and now they embrace policies that make minimum wage efforts look negligible. Even air-conditioned jobs at McDonalds have gotten pricey, due to labor competition.
    I believe that the biggest issue will be that the workforce of agriculture may not exist at all in the places where it is needed. They are called "migrant workers" for a reason. They travel to where the work is. This is a very difficult life. Is there any amount of money that you can pay U.S. citizens to do this sort of hard work, live like that, and keep showing up? Federal bailouts may help the farmers survive in the short-term, but it will not get the food to people's tables. And food exports have always been a big part of balancing trade for us. For that to work you need a surplus of product. I believe that this administration will have to find a way to bring back the workers we need - a big, streamlined expansion of the H2A visa program. Which will still be very expensive, compared to what it costs now to bring in migrant labor off the books.
  • Stagflation
    hank: What many today overlook, I think, is the compounding effect of inflation. So after 5 years of 7.5% annual inflation things aren’t 7.5% higher. They’re closer to 40% higher than they were at the start of the period.
    FD: I can't find 40% in the last 5 years, but I see 25-26%.
    From 01/2020 to 01/2024 = Biden 4 years. I see about a 23% CPI increase. The fastest 4 years since 1990.
    See the CPI at
    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-price-index-cpi
    =========================
    Since 01/2025, we have seen hundreds of predictions, mainly by (dem) economists, about inflation, stagflation, recession, depression, and other horrific stuff within 6-12 months.
    This means 01/2026.
    Can you take these seriously? I don't.
    Don't worry, I will be around in 01/2026 to report about it.
  • Barron’s Funds Quarterly+ (2025/Q2–July 7, 2025)
    Barron’s Funds Quarterly+ (2025/Q2–July 7, 2025)
    https://www.barrons.com/topics/mutual-funds-quarterly
    (Performance data quoted in this Supplement are for 2025/Q2 and YTD to 6/30/25)
    COVER STORY, “ETFs Are Eating the World. The Right – and Wrong – Ways to Invest”. It’s hard to imagine an investment idea or theme without a related ETF. There are 4,000+ ETFs in the US, 700+ were added just in 2024, and several hundred are pending before the SEC. Note that there are only 2,400 listed stocks in the US (but there are many ETFs for single-stocks). Many mutual funds/OEFs are adding ETF classes after Vanguard’s patent expired in 2023. Almost 1,300+ active ETFs are competing with active OEFs. Many new ETFs won’t survive because viable ETFs need $100+ million AUM. There have been strong inflows, and the total ETF AUM is $11 trillion, and almost 33.3% of all listed funds (OEFs, ETFs) excluding the money-market funds (CEFs are too tiny to move the needle). Lot of money is just shifting from OEFs into ETFs.
    The ETFs has several advantages: (i) tax-efficiency (due to tax-free creation/redemption), (ii) accessibility, (iii) trading convenience, (iv) lower ERs; big ETFs are very liquid. Many financial advisors now prefer to use ETFs for asset allocation. On the other hand, there is more temptation to trade and reinvestments are inconvenient.
    Top 4 ETF sponsors/firms (Vanguard, BlackRock/BLK, Invesco/IVZ, State Street/STT) have 82% of the total ETF AUM, so there is lot of noise out there. Major stock ETFs are SPY, IVV, VOO (SP500); RSP (equal-weight SP500), IEFA (EAFE), VT (total world stock), NOBL (dividend Aristocrats), TCAF (capital appreciation), etc. Major bond ETFs are AGG, BND (US aggregate bond); BNDW (total world bond), MUNI (intermediate-term munis), JCPI (inflation-protected), ANGL (fallen-angle HY), etc. Major alternative ETFs are GLD, GLDM (gold bullion); IBIT, FBTC (spot Bitcoin), etc.
    There are flaws in some of these ETFs. Some bond, private-asset and commodity ETFs are in small, fragmented and illiquid markets that trade infrequently or not at all. The ETF pricing then is based on matrix-pricing or professional estimates/ guesses that may break down during market stresses. Most commodity ETFs hold futures because it isn’t practical to hold physical commodities except for some precious metals. This adds the complications of backwardation/ contango at future rolls. Also beware that ETFs can hold only up to 15% in private, illiquid assets, so pay attention to what the rest 85% is in. Then, there are leveraged ETFs, +/- 1x, +/- 2x, etc, often in pairs, so the firms make money whether investors have gains or losses.
    QUARTERLY REVIEW. It was a wild quarter for leveraged ETFs as winners and losers were magnified. Beware that their stated leverage applies on a daily basis, but it diverges long-term. The broad market had an early-April drawdown but rebounded strongly to new highs. A solid advice is to think long-term and ignore short-term noises (political, currency, etc), but the entire credit for crypto rally belongs to this Administration that is also a player. Ordinary folks can join the fund with small amounts in ETFs IBIT, FBTC, etc. Foreign stocks (especially small-caps), gold-miners (finally joining the gold rally), bonds and market-neutral funds did well in Q2. Outflows from mutual funds/OEFs continued and went into ETFs. (By @LewisBraham at MFO)
    More on FUNDS & RETIREMENT
    The new budget may trigger AMT for more people in higher income brackets. The AMT exemption amount is the same (as in TCJA, 2017) but the phaseout level has been reduced and the phaseout is at a faster pace. Higher SALT deductions and high state and property taxes may trigger AMT. Expectations are that most couples with income under $400K won’t be impacted.
    MFOP data for Q2 pending.
    Top 5 Categories, Q2 https://i.ibb.co/kgwb8rkv/MFOP-Quarterly-Top5-070625.png
    Bottom 5 Categories, Q2 https://i.ibb.co/FtLx8ZP/MFOP-Quarterly-Bottom5-070625.png
    LINK
  • How the Largest Bond Funds Did in Q2 2025
    @DrVenture, thank you for sharing. The falling dollar since Dec 2024 was concerning when it fallen 9% YTD. The question of whether the dollar remains as the world last resort have been brought up several times. The last downgrade by Moody due to increased deficit is alarming and it is getting worse, not better with the latest tax cut bill. Since late last year, we rebalanced from US to developed and emerging market aggressively and made considerable gains.
    With our retirement are coming up, we want to takes some equity risk of the table and focus on better multi-sector and foreign bonds, and not so much with treasury, especially long bond. In all cases, we are staying with short duration in light of inflation still lingering.
    My concerns are the following :
    1. Staginflation
    2. Can US continue to finance its deficient by selling long bonds ? Bessent said her can takes care of that.
    3. What will happen when on one would work on the fields and meat packing factories?
  • HR-1 and the $1 Trillion Medicaid related cuts, 5 large companies affected today, JULY 2
    I haven't taken a close (or to be honest more than a cursory) look at the Medicaid cuts. But from an investment perspective, one should probably look at the for-profit hospital systems as well as insurance companies (i.e. the companies I recognized in OP list). They get a significant amount of supplemental payments from Medicaid (and Medicare) to cover costs. Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) comes to mind, but there are other programs as well.
    See, e.g.
    https://www.macpac.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Medicaid-Base-and-Supplemental-Payments-to-Hospitals.pdf
  • Dividend Payers
    @Sven
    For me, the key was to buy solid dividend growers in a down market. It takes patience though. These end up being "accidental high yielders" in the 4-6% range who also who also have a history of increasing their dividends. If we're talking individual stocks, banks are good targets, select pharma companies, the occasional tech company (like Broadcom in 2020), insurance companies.
    4-5% short term bonds makes it easy to be patient.
  • The Week in Charts | Charlie Bilello
    I don't usually post comments regarding The Week in Charts.
    Since the first half of the year has been "crazy", I'll make an exception today.
    What will the second half of the year bring for investors?
    Fourth worst S&P 500 performance through first 66 trading days (-15.3%) of 2025.
    Followed by tenth biggest 12-week S&P 500 total return (22.0%) from 1989-2025.
    Biggest 12-week $VIX decline (-64.0%) from 1990-2025.
    Frankly, I wasn't expecting this type of market behavior!
    Why is the market pricing in three Fed rate cuts in 2025?
    1) Stocks: all-time highs
    2) Home Prices: all-time highs
    3) Bitcoin: all-time highs
    4) Money Supply: all-time highs
    5) National Debt: all-time highs
    6) CPI: averaging 4% per year since 2020—double the Fed's "target"
    We'll get the non-farm payroll report this week but this isn't the jobs indicator to watch (subject to massive revisions). Better jobs indicator is 4-Week Moving Average of Continued Claims for Unemployment Insurance.
    Existing single family home inventory is at the highest level since June 2020.
    New single family homes for sale are at their highest levels since November 2007.
    Sellers outnumber buyers by nearly 500,000.
    Perhaps this is an inflection point which will lead to a lower pace of home price appreciation?
    Of course, affordability is still a major problem.
    Home price inflation has far outpaced wage increases for many years.
  • Automobile Cost of Ownership
    "According to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the total cost to own and operate an automobile averaged a frightening $12,296 in 2024, roughly 30% higher than a decade ago."
    The main reason is the fastest inflation in decades we had under the previous administration. See 2020 to 2023 chart https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUUR0000SETA01
    Talking about automobiles, I see that you are still racing Yugo's as the stock market hit an all-time high.
  • Automobile Cost of Ownership
    "According to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the total cost to own and operate an automobile averaged a frightening $12,296 in 2024, roughly 30% higher than a decade ago."
    The main reason is the fastest inflation in decades we had under the previous administration. See 2020 to 2023 chart https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUUR0000SETA01
  • These Funds Are Yield Magicians
    Nearly a dozen ETFs boasted yields of at least 100% this week.
    Most of these funds trade option contracts on a single stock to generate high income.
    Much of this "yield" is often return of capital.
    “'The higher the yield you’re generating, the higher the risk you’re taking with the principal,'
    says Will Rhind, chief executive of GraniteShares, which offers several option-income funds.
    'Can you get a 150% annualized yield with no downside?
    There’s no free lunch in this world.'”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/these-funds-are-yield-magicians-how-do-they-do-it/ar-AA1Hy1HC
  • prwcx expands # 'co-managers'
    Top Executives
    Name Title Since Until
    David R. Giroux Vice President 2006 Now
    Jeffrey W. Arricale Deputy Director 2006 2007
    Stephen W. Boesel Managing Director and portfolio manager 2001 2006
    Richard P. Howard Senior Vice President 1989 2001
    Richard H. Fontaine Vice President, Portfolio Manager 1986 1989
    A superstar at the helm of T. Rowe Price Capital Appreciation fund in the late 1980's, Mr. Fontaine anticipated the 1987 market crash and bought aggressively afterward, delivering average annual returns of nearly 40 percent.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/19/business/mutual-funds-a-bear-on-stocks-who-s-outrunning-the-bulls.html
    Side note: T. Rowe Price Capital Appreciation commenced operations on June 30, 1986. It was legally created as T. Rowe Price Capital Advantage Fund on May 9, 1986 and changed to its current name on June 29, 1986.
    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/793347/0000793347-94-000004.txt
    It's interesting to google the names on the list. Boesel seems like the stereotype of a T. Rowe Price guy. Howard is quite a character. Haven't made it to Fontaine yet.
    Giroux seems like more of the Boesel type.
  • Fidelity - Link External Bank Account
    Wow, when I linked mine it was a few clicks, enter routing number, account number, maybe one or two other steps and done. Although that was back in 2020.