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I support the idea that the SP500 would not perform as well in the next 10 years as it did in the last 10 years.The prevailing exuberance—and preponderance of nosebleed valuations—hasn’t been lost on the members of the Barron’s Roundtable
The 24/7 media always love to make statements like this. Let's look deeper:After the dollar’s steepest half-year drop in decades, investors see continued declines ahead.
Gold usually goes up when the dollar declines; nothing new here.Receding confidence in the dollar is driving investors to sell dollars and buy gold and other major currencies.
I doubt the dollar will lose its dominance.
The dollar is unlikely to lose its dominance quickly
True. And there’s been a lot of “drift” since @equalizer first initiated this thread in January 2020. It was before Joe Biden was elected President. It would be another month or so before “Covid” became a household word. You could refinance a mortgage for around 3%. Money market funds yielded around 1%. Beer was cheaper.A very large thread topic drift has taken place …
This seems to be the key issue regarding specific shares and limit orders. And it raises a question I hadn't thought about that applies to other brokerages as well:Why is SpecID still available for market orders?
Market orders are executed immediately at the current market price, making it easier to match the specified shares with the sale. This immediacy aligns well with the SpecID method, ensuring that the chosen shares are accurately sold.
Roubini has been one of the worst economic predictors, costing investors a lot of performance. See quote below from wiki (link).A tighter labor market, tariffs on $3.4 trillion of imports, tax cut stimulus, and a high level of government spending are all happening. This is not even questionable.
The question is not whether or not these are all inflationary pressures. They are classic inflationary pressures. The question is how much inflation they produce. The FEDs hands will be tied. In a tight labor market unemployment will not necessarily rise severely, but wages will go up as businesses compete for scarce resources. The FED may actually have to raise rates, unless they kowtow to political pressure and let inflation run which would be disastrous.
The FED may be unable to ride to the rescue, with unemployment only incrementally higher & inflation rising, if GDP slows as it is projected to do by nearly every source.
From the linked article: "The economy is likely to enter a period of slow growth in the 1% to 2% range. Inflation will hover between 3% to 4%, and unemployment will rise to 4.5% to 5%. While these economic conditions don’t match the double-digit interest rates and inflation and chronically high unemployment of the 70s, the stagflation-lite economic framework will still shock consumers.
Yes, the economy is likely to experience a sugar high following the coming tax cuts, which will temporarily send growth to 3% or higher. But the combination of new tariffs, tighter immigration policies, and sustained annual budget deficits will soon act as a drain on private sector investment as firms and households are priced out of the market."
This implies that there may still money to be made in the 3Q of 2025. But that the whole shebang will coalesce into bad juju at some point not too far off. If inflation hits, GDP falls and the FED raises rates, I would assume that both stocks and bonds take a hit. Cash and cash equivalents may still be a good bet.
Some relevant comments from Roubini in this article:
https://www.bitget.com/news/detail/12560604851369
However, financial journalist Justin Fox observed in the Harvard Business Review in 2010 that "In fact, Roubini didn't exactly predict the crisis that began in mid-2007... Roubini spent several years predicting a very different sort of crisis — one in which foreign central banks diversifying their holdings out of Treasuries sparked a run on the dollar — only to turn in late 2006 to warning of a U.S. housing bust and a global 'hard landing'. He still didn't give a perfectly clear or (in retrospect) accurate vision of how exactly this would play out... I'm more than a little weirded out by the status of prophet that he has been accorded since."[27][28][29] Others noted that: "The problem is that even though he was spectacularly right on this one, he went on to predict time and time again, as the markets and the economy recovered in the years following the collapse, that there would be a follow-up crisis and that more extreme crashes were inevitable. His calls, after his initial pronouncement, were consistently wrong. Indeed, if you had listened to him, and many investors did, you would have missed the longest bull market run in US market history."[30][31][32][33] Another observed: "For a prophet, he's wrong an awful lot of the time."[34] Tony Robbins wrote: "Roubini warned of a recession in 2004 (wrongly), 2005 (wrongly), 2006 (wrongly), and 2007 (wrongly)" ... and he "predicted (wrongly) that there'd be a 'significant' stock market correction in 2013."[35] Speaking about Roubini, economist Anirvan Banerji told The New York Times: "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day," and said: "The average time between recessions is about five years ... So, if you forecast a recession one year and it doesn't happen, and you repeat your forecast year after year ... at some point the recession will arrive."[36][10] Economist Nariman Behravesh said: "Nouriel Roubini has been singing the doom-and-gloom story for 10 years. Eventually something was going to be right."[17]
In January 2009, Roubini predicted that oil prices would stay below $40 for all of 2009. By the end of 2009, however, oil prices were at $80.[34][37] In March 2009, he predicted the S&P 500 would fall below 600 that year, and possibly plummet to 200.[38] It closed at over 1,115 however, up 24%, the largest single-year gain since 2003. CNBC's Jim Cramer wrote that Roubini was "intoxicated" with his own "prescience and vision," and should realize that things are better than he predicted; Roubini called Cramer a "buffoon," and told him to "just shut up".[34][39] Although in April 2009, Roubini prophesied that the United States economy would decline in the final two quarters of 2009, and that the US economy would increase just 0.5% to 1% in 2010, in fact the U.S. economy in each of those six quarters increased at a 2.5% average annual rate.[40] Then in June 2009 he predicted that what he called a "perfect storm" was just around the corner, but no such perfect storm ever appeared.[41][40] In 2009 he also predicted that the US government would take over and nationalize a number of large banks; it did not happen.[42][43] In October 2009 he predicted that the price of gold "can go above $1,000, but it can't move up 20-30%"; he was wrong, as the price of gold rose over the next 18 months, breaking through the $1,000 barrier to over $1,400.[43]
Although in May 2010 he predicted a 20% decline in the stock market, the S&P actually rose about 20% over the course of the next year (even excluding returns from dividends).[44] In 2012, Roubini predicted that Greece would be ejected from the Eurozone, but that did not happen.[45] The Financial Times observed that in 2020 when the COVID-19 pandemic arrived, he said that policymakers would not mount a large fiscal response. However—they did.[46] Also in 2020, he predicted that a US-Iran war was likely.[46]
My opinion is very fungible, because a lot is based on changing circumstances. But, it sounds like we are in a similar position and have a similar approach. Some de-risking, and chasing returns where possible at the same time. One of the notions that has me on the fence is what is going to happen with rates.@DrVenture, thank you for sharing. The falling dollar since Dec 2024 was concerning when it fallen 9% YTD. The question of whether the dollar remains as the world last resort have been brought up several times. The last downgrade by Moody due to increased deficit is alarming and it is getting worse, not better with the latest tax cut bill. Since late last year, we rebalanced from US to developed and emerging market aggressively and made considerable gains.
With our retirement are coming up, we want to takes some equity risk of the table and focus on better multi-sector and foreign bonds, and not so much with treasury, especially long bond. In all cases, we are staying with short duration in light of inflation still lingering.
My concerns are the following :
1. Staginflation
2. Can US continue to finance its deficient by selling long bonds ? Bessent said her can takes care of that.
3. What will happen when on one would work on the fields and meat packing factories?
FD: I can't find 40% in the last 5 years, but I see 25-26%.hank: What many today overlook, I think, is the compounding effect of inflation. So after 5 years of 7.5% annual inflation things aren’t 7.5% higher. They’re closer to 40% higher than they were at the start of the period.
Talking about automobiles, I see that you are still racing Yugo's as the stock market hit an all-time high."According to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the total cost to own and operate an automobile averaged a frightening $12,296 in 2024, roughly 30% higher than a decade ago."
The main reason is the fastest inflation in decades we had under the previous administration. See 2020 to 2023 chart https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUUR0000SETA01
It's interesting to google the names on the list. Boesel seems like the stereotype of a T. Rowe Price guy. Howard is quite a character. Haven't made it to Fontaine yet.Top Executives
Name Title Since Until
David R. Giroux Vice President 2006 Now
Jeffrey W. Arricale Deputy Director 2006 2007
Stephen W. Boesel Managing Director and portfolio manager 2001 2006
Richard P. Howard Senior Vice President 1989 2001
Richard H. Fontaine Vice President, Portfolio Manager 1986 1989A superstar at the helm of T. Rowe Price Capital Appreciation fund in the late 1980's, Mr. Fontaine anticipated the 1987 market crash and bought aggressively afterward, delivering average annual returns of nearly 40 percent.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/19/business/mutual-funds-a-bear-on-stocks-who-s-outrunning-the-bulls.html
Side note: T. Rowe Price Capital Appreciation commenced operations on June 30, 1986. It was legally created as T. Rowe Price Capital Advantage Fund on May 9, 1986 and changed to its current name on June 29, 1986.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/793347/0000793347-94-000004.txt
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