Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

In this Discussion

Here's a statement of the obvious: The opinions expressed here are those of the participants, not those of the Mutual Fund Observer. We cannot vouch for the accuracy or appropriateness of any of it, though we do encourage civility and good humor.

    Support MFO

  • Donate through PayPal

Trump calls Media "enemy of the American people"

edited February 2017 in Off-Topic
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-4236354/Trump-calls-media-enemy-American-people.html

Donald Trump ratcheted up his attacks on the media Friday, describing the press as "the enemy of the American people!" in a tweet. Shortly after landing at his holiday home in Mar-a-Lago, Florida -- where he is spending a third consecutive weekend -- the president lashed out in 140 characters."The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!" Trump wrote.
Trump had tweeted an earlier post which targeted the New York Times, CNN, NBC "and many more" media -- and ended with the exclamation "SICK!"But he swiftly deleted that missive before reposting the definitive version -- adding two more "enemies" to his blacklist.

Do we need a government approved list of publications we can cite on this forum? (Don't know whether the WSJ is on the enemies list.)
«1345

Comments

  • There are no bugs in MAL.
  • A perusal of the extensive comments to WSJ articles shows that there is a substantial segment of commentators who truly believe that anyone critical of Trump and his minions is "an enemy of the American people". Alternate facts for an alternate reality. Totally sick.
  • After an enemy is declared the next step is to fight them to protect Americans.
  • Are you that old Joe?

  • I'd comment more but I'm presently trying to see how the war in Eastasia went this week. However, I'm happy to see my ration allowance of Victory Gin increased a smidgen, so I'm thankful for that. As such, does anyone want to join me at the Chestnut Tree Cafe for a drink sometime?
  • @JohnChisum- no, I'm the other Old Joe. :)

    @rforno: No, the Victory Gin is tasting more and more like kerosene I'm afraid.
    Oh-oh... what's that pounding on the door...

  • Either the Fuller Brush Man or an Amazon Prime Victory Gin delivery? :)
    Old_Joe said:

    @JohnChisum- no, I'm the other Old Joe. :)

    @rforno: No, the Victory Gin is tasting more and more like kerosene I'm afraid.
    Oh-oh... what's that pounding on the door...

  • More likely the National Guard...
  • edited February 2017
    Could be his executive recruiter team coming to sound you out about becoming National Security Advisor. They're having a devil of a time getting someone to agree w/his terms. I'm in DC, so part of me wishes they'd come ask me if I'd be interested -- I'd giggle like a loon until they left. (Which probably would get me an audience with him for a follow-up interview, come to think of it.)

    "I'm sorry sir, he declined the invitation. In fact, I think his last words to me ended in 'you' or 'off.'"
    Old_Joe said:

    More likely the National Guard...

  • rforno said:


    I'd comment more but I'm presently trying to see how the war in Eastasia went this week. However, I'm happy to see my ration allowance of Victory Gin increased a smidgen, so I'm thankful for that. As such, does anyone want to join me at the Chestnut Tree Cafe for a drink sometime?

    "How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?" ....."Don't do it to me. DO IT TO JULIA!"
    This is a slow-motion crisis. There will be hell to pay.
  • There are no bugs in MAL.

    Good one.
  • I marvel at how the market seems to ignore the potential chaos at the White House. Maybe that means that Trump really will not do anything.

    But looking at all of the areas he could blow up with a few tweets, and how America's enemies must be gleeful or the chaos in the NSC alone, much less everywhere else, I think that the chickens may come home to roost soon in an awful way

    I have small position long VXX, and a lot of cash. Nearing retirement I think the risks far outweight the reward in the next few years.

    Of course I am also hedging my bets
  • edited March 2017
    sma3 said:

    Of course I am also hedging my bets

    @sma3, Agree - Politics aside, there's plenty else to worry about.looking at.

  • First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


    Putin made the Media in Russia fit in somewhere above. I'm no fan of News Channels be it CNN or FOX or MSNBC. However, that's all we have.
  • Sad that in the 21 century we have to have these discussions. I suspect any appearance that civilization advances is a mere illusion.
  • edited February 2017
    The last President to declare the press as an enemy, was Nixon.

    Making war with both the CIA and the press is a curious strategic move.
  • edited February 2017
    PRESSmUP said:

    The last President to declare the press as an enemy, was Nixon.

    Making war with both the CIA and the press is a curious strategic move.

    Correction: B. Obama


    If Donald Trump Targets Journalists, Thank Obama
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html?_r=0
    Under Mr. Obama, the Justice Department and the F.B.I. have spied on reporters by monitoring their phone records,
  • edited February 2017
    Lather, rinse, repeat: wired.co.uk/article/us-president-donald-trump-attention-economy
    The thing people don't understand is that Trump isn't really hostile to the media. He is the media. He's the equivalent of a meme, an Internet troll, an earworm you can't get out of your head. He won because he says the most outrageous things possible and in the attention economy that works.
  • edited February 2017
    @Dex -

    Your post appears to be a diversionary stunt. This thread is about President Trump's announcement on Friday declaring the press the enemy of the American people. Some of us link articles here from the press, so I thought it relevant.

    Perhaps you could start a separate thread if you want to discuss President Obama.
  • Right, as so often, confusing two very different things. You can do better, Dex.
  • edited February 2017
    But critics say the crackdown has had a much greater chilling effect on press freedom than Mr. Obama acknowledges. In a scathing 2013 report for the Committee to Protect Journalists, Leonard Downie, a former executive editor of The Washington Post who now teaches at Arizona State University, said the war on leaks and other efforts to control information was “the most aggressive I’ve seen since the Nixon administration, when I was one of the editors involved in The Washington Post’s investigation of Watergate.”
    -----------------------
    First Obama and his supporters came for the Journalist, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Journalist.

    Then they came for the Trump and his supporters, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trump supporter.

    Then they came for the Truth, and I did not speak out—
    Because I liked their new Truth.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
  • So confused.

    But some of us will speak for you, Dex.
  • Lather, rinse, repeat: wired.co.uk/article/us-president-donald-trump-attention-economy
    The thing people don't understand is that Trump isn't really hostile to the media. He is the media. He's the equivalent of a meme, an Internet troll, an earworm you can't get out of your head. He won because he says the most outrageous things possible and in the attention economy that works.

    That's the problem isn't it. Apparently that's not the ONLY reason he won. He keeps saying "people" are leaking information to the "dishonest media". Who are these "people" and why do they feel compelled to leak information for this president? I am no expert, but someone please tell if there is any precedent like this where intelligence agencies are leaking information damaging for the president to the media.
  • @DanHardy. Are we really saying same thing will not happen under Trump:-)
    Besides it's one thing having NSA monitor the media and another calling it fake news. The first action makes us worry about the people in charge. The second action makes us worry about each other and can cause collapse of society as you know it.

    "You don't trust me? Look, over here, will I do something underhanded while you are distracted".

    Both bad things, but two different things, IMHO.
  • Lather, rinse, repeat: wired.co.uk/article/us-president-donald-trump-attention-economy
    The thing people don't understand is that Trump isn't really hostile to the media. He is the media. He's the equivalent of a meme, an Internet troll, an earworm you can't get out of your head. He won because he says the most outrageous things possible and in the attention economy that works.

    That's the problem isn't it. Apparently that's not the ONLY reason he won. He keeps saying "people" are leaking information to the "dishonest media". Who are these "people" and why do they feel compelled to leak information for this president? I am no expert, but someone please tell if there is any precedent like this where intelligence agencies are leaking information damaging for the president to the media.
    It appears that many of the leakers are holdovers from the Obama administration as well as Trump haters. The vitriol and hatred for Trump is unprecedented in recent memory.
  • edited February 2017
    If he kept is small mouth shut and his small fingers off his phone, I think people wouldn't be as riled up.

    However I suspect the 'vitriol' against Trump from many is b/c unlike his predecessors (both D and R) this is the first person to occupy the presidency that is a confirmed bully, insults others regularly, punches downwards, picks moronic fights against ANYONE who disagrees with him on even the remoteist thing, is only pandering to his base (about 20% of the country), thinks he and his empire are above both the law and political tradition, and tries to replace objective reality with his own version despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. How dare he -- or ANYONE -- tell me (or anyone) what or how to think or believe as "truth" or "reality" or "fact"?

    The fact that "Trump" and "lashed out..." are seen in daily headlines around the world is just a pathetic embarrassment of our country. Not very presidential in my view. I'm all for changing the paradigms in a controlled manner - but to throw multiple grenades into multiple rooms at the same time while not having declared a plan for the aftermath is in-sane. Remember Colin Powell's 'Pottery Barn' analogy?

    I have had major POLICY disagreements with Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc over the years, but I wouldn't mind sharing a beer or two over a game with any of them. But at the very least they acted presidential and as adults. This guy acts like an entitled schoolyard bully expecting everyone else to clean up after his mess after having daddy fight his battles for him while he's in the corner telling people how awesome he is at fixing things.

    .... and btw I am a registered independent.



    It appears that many of the leakers are holdovers from the Obama administration as well as Trump haters. The vitriol and hatred for Trump is unprecedented in recent memory.

  • edited February 2017

    @DanHardy. Are we really saying same thing will not happen under Trump:-)
    Besides it's one thing having NSA monitor the media and another calling it fake news. The first action makes us worry about the people in charge. The second action makes us worry about each other and can cause collapse of society as you know it.

    "You don't trust me? Look, over here, will I do something underhanded while you are distracted".

    Both bad things, but two different things, IMHO.


    Are you equating the act of "Under Mr. Obama, the Justice Department and the F.B.I. have spied on reporters by monitoring their phone records," with name calling by Trump.

    I'll give you a hint of my position - the spying is worse - and Obama named journalist as an unnamed conspirator. Which do you think is worse?

    Think what the reaction would have been if Bush 2 of Trump did what Obama did and look at the lack of reaction when Obama did it.

    And look at what Obama did 17 days before leaving office to increase the chances of leaks. If this was such a great idea; why didn't he do it years ago????? Simple answer, he knew it would increase the leaks he was trying to stop. It was a landmine he left for Trump.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-18/jay-sekulow-obama-should-be-held-accountable-soft-coup-attempt-against-trump
  • edited February 2017
    @willmatt72 If you are saying our intelligence agencies are partisan, then I suppose Comey should be able to control the damage?

    @DanHardy I guess I'm saying the NSA was always spying on people and we just found out. To me it was not a watershed event, but something that was merely confirmed. On the other hand collusion alleged between sitting President and/or aides with a foreign country to get himself elected has to transcend all conspiracy theories. If our intelligence agencies are indeed partisan, why didn't they leak everything they had on Obama? Maybe because he seemed a little less bat-shit crazy than Trump?

    I am a registered Independent as well and was actually more likely to vote for him than most anyone else. In the end it was a choice between not voting or picking what I thought was the lesser evil. Needless to say in the end it did not matter.

    If we want to be objective, perhaps we might at least agree the intelligence agencies might be doing the same? This is not about Obama vs Trump or partisanship, rather about our intelligence agencies chosing to leak potential damaging information about a sitting president vs not.
  • rforno said:

    This guy acts like an entitled schoolyard bully expecting everyone else to clean up after his mess after having daddy fight his battles for him while he's in the corner telling people how awesome he is at fixing things.

    How would you described T. Roosevelt?
    “I suppose my critics will call that preaching, but I have got such a bully pulpit!”
    http://www.dummies.com/education/politics-government/how-the-president-uses-the-bully-pulpit-in-washington-d-c/



  • edited February 2017

    @willmatt72 If you are saying our intelligence agencies are partisan, then I suppose Comey should be able to control the damage?

    @DanHardy I guess I'm saying the NSA was always spying on people and we just found out. To me it was not a watershed event, but something that was merely confirmed. On the other hand collusion alleged between sitting President and/or aides with a foreign country to get himself elected has to transcend all conspiracy theories. If our intelligence agencies are indeed partisan, why didn't they leak everything they had on Obama? Maybe because he seemed a little less bat-shit crazy than Trump?

    I am a registered Independent as well and was actually more likely to vote for him than most anyone else. In the end it was a choice between not voting or picking what I thought was the lesser evil. Needless to say in the end it did not matter.

    If we want to be objective, perhaps we might at least agree the intelligence agencies might be doing the same? This is not about Obama vs Trump or partisanship, rather about our intelligence agencies chosing to leak potential damaging information about a sitting president vs not.

    Obama used the Attorney General and the FBI, not the NSA. And I hope you understand the significance of that.

    Dana Priest, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The Washington Post, added: “Obama’s attorney general repeatedly allowed the F.B.I. to use intrusive measures against reporters more often than any time in recent memory
Sign In or Register to comment.