About the 4% rule IF one wants to follow Bengen's original paper, then one should (I think) be using large cap domestic stocks and intermediate term Treasuries. (He is clear about intermediate term treasuries but says only "large cap" stocks.)
These days, many allocation funds invest a significant fraction of their equity sleeve abroad. IMHO that's not a bad thing, but it is different. A related "problem" is that allocation funds often invest some money into small cap stocks. While this is different from Bengen's original work, it could be an improvement:
Bill Bengen ...has increased the withdrawal rate he uses on his own retirement portfolio to 4.7%, largely because of the upside he’s gained by adding small and microcap asset classes to his portfolio, he told the Bogleheads Live podcast this week. [Dec 2022]
https://www.fa-mag.com/news/creator-of-4--rule-says-new-withdrawal-target-is-4-7-71026.htmlThat page goes on to say that these days, Bengen says that "the optimum stock allocation that allows the highest withdrawal rate over the long term is between
55% and 60% over the long term."
That suggests that you might look at 60/40 funds, of which there are many. As to what Bengen himself is doing, rather than using his stated static allocation "he uses a third-party service that recommends changes to his asset allocation based on perceived changes in the marketplace."
In short, consider looking at funds closer to 60/40. VBIAX (0.07% ER) is a good starting point if ER is paramount, or VSMGX (0.12% ER) to add foreign exposure.
FWIW, here's a
portfolio visualizer comparison of three 60/40 funds: AOR, VSMGX, and VBIAX. over roughly ten years (PV limitation). Starts with $10K, $400 (4%) annual withdrawal (inflation adjusted).
What allocation do you have to international equities and your favorite funds? "Isn't Intl investing really a currency play on a weaker dollar...which might be in our near future, no?"
Foreign currency weakness / strength against the dollar affects returns but there is more to the story.
S&P 500 companies derive a significant portion of their revenue overseas.
However, some excellent companies are domiciled outside of America.
I would like to own these companies.
Foreign stocks may provide diversification during longer periods
where S&P 500 performance is dismal (e.g., 2000 - 2009).
Of course, diversification works both ways.
Foreign stocks have lagged U.S. stocks for approximately 15 years.
This is an unusually long period and U.S. / foreign stock outperformance tends to run in cycles.
About the 4% rule @larryB,
You can always combine AOR and AOM and let it sit. Not the highest returns, but it might suit your guideline.
I myself aim toward
50-
50 Fido mm and JQUA (or QLTY, or TCAF, or simply VONG or VONE, and I'm not saying that they are that similar).
Nonresponsively, when Fido mm declines under ... ? 4% ? ... I might reconsider the above and move toward some combo of FBALX (or FPACX) and FMSDX.
kiss and all that.
About the 4% rule William Bengen published
Conserving Client Portfolios During Retirement, Part IIIin the Dec. 1997 Journal of Financial Planning. His recommended range for stock allocation
was between
50% and 7
5% for a 6
5 year-old investor.
"Because withdrawal rates within the recommended range of stocks are essentially equal,
they are not very useful in selecting stock allocation.
For another view of the matter, consider Chart 10, which depicts the nominal wealth built up
in a portfolio after 30 years, for a retiree who began withdrawing four percent the first year.
The two stock allocations displayed, 50 percent and 75 percent, represent the extreme ends
of the 'recommended range' for this investor at age-65 retirement." PDF1Edit/Add: Bengen published
Conserving Client Portfolios During Retirement, Part IVin the May 2001 Journal of Financial Planning. Two alternative withdrawal strategies are explored.
PDF2
About the 4% rule Simplicity? Stable price? Forget 4% withdrawal, how about 5%+ without selling anything? Money market fund.
If it looks to good to be true it .........
About the 4% rule I believe the 1994 paper called for 50/50 and adjust withdrawals for inflation.
Stashing cash, Summer 2024 Thanks for the info. USSH is a new fund, inception date 3/12/24, with $495K asset.
Pros and cons exist in either ETF or treasury approaches. Once can extend the duration of the ladder % from 6 months to 1 to 3 year treasury. Also keep some in money market.