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Spot on.I used to like Royce funds for small-value investments 10-15 years ago (late 90s to mid 2000s). Now they are just a mutual fund business that is putting their interest in gathering assets (an collecting fees) ahead of their shareholders' interest of delivering great returns at a reasonable cost. Just look at their fund offerings and see if you can easily figure out the differences between these funds: Select I, Select II, Enterprise Select, Value, Value Plus, Focus Value, etc.? Chuck Royce manages or co-manages 16 funds and Whitney George manages or co-manages 10 funds. The mutual funds returns in the past few years might be showing the changes that have taken place inside Royce in the past decade. I won't be putting my money in Royce funds anytime in foreseeable future.
Thus my question about getting the 12b-1 fees credited to the account (i.e. credited against wrap fee). To a large extent, the difference between A shares and I shares is the 12b-1 fee. For example, TPINX (A shares) cost 0.86%, including a 0.25% 12b-1 fee; TGBAX (Advisor shares) cost 0.61%.As someone mentioned, as this appears to be a wrap account (since he is getting paid 1% of AUM) those loads are most certainly waived. However, I would question why this advisor cannot get access to the cheaper share classes on his platform. He should be buying F2 shares with American Funds, The Pimco fund should be an I share, Templeton should be Adv shares, Hartford should be I shares, just a lot of questions about this advisors platform and why he can only get the load waived, instead of cheaper share classes.
Maybe it's just me, but I find this a bit incredulous.I can tell you that 75% of the portfolio is in taxable accounts because it is inherited money. The remaining 25% is in tax-deferred accounts (401K, Roth IRA, Rollover IRA). I'm maxing out my Roth IRA each year, but there's not much else I can do with this breakdown. As a result, taxes are a concern moving forward.
You mention that you're currently maxing out your Roth IRA but are you also maxing out your 401k?
The reason I'm asking is if you're not because you can't afford to, I'd suggest maybe taking some money out of the inheritance in order that you can.
For example if you're only putting in say $5500/year and can't afford any more, take $12k/yr out of the inheritance so that you can up your contributions to the max. That way you'll have more money in a tax-deferred vehicle and might not pay that much taxes on accessing that $12k. You didn't mention what form the inheritance came in (i.e. stocks, mutual funds, etc...) but if they were in any of those you'd get a stepped-up cost basis so the taxes owed on the money likely wouldn't be that much.
Just something to think about tax-wise if it applies. It won't solve your tax-problem completely but would help. I'd also suggest using some ETF's where you can as you stated just for the tax efficiency of them.
Ok, so you are saying that I could use a larger portion of my paycheck to fund my 401K and use my inheritance money to pay my bills normally funded by my paycheck. Interesting. I never thought of this concept.
Ok, so you are saying that I could use a larger portion of my paycheck to fund my 401K and use my inheritance money to pay my bills normally funded by my paycheck. Interesting. I never thought of this concept. Can you think of any downside to using this method?I can tell you that 75% of the portfolio is in taxable accounts because it is inherited money. The remaining 25% is in tax-deferred accounts (401K, Roth IRA, Rollover IRA). I'm maxing out my Roth IRA each year, but there's not much else I can do with this breakdown. As a result, taxes are a concern moving forward.
You mention that you're currently maxing out your Roth IRA but are you also maxing out your 401k?
The reason I'm asking is if you're not because you can't afford to, I'd suggest maybe taking some money out of the inheritance in order that you can.
For example if you're only putting in say $5500/year and can't afford any more, take $12k/yr out of the inheritance so that you can up your contributions to the max. That way you'll have more money in a tax-deferred vehicle and might not pay that much taxes on accessing that $12k. You didn't mention what form the inheritance came in (i.e. stocks, mutual funds, etc...) but if they were in any of those you'd get a stepped-up cost basis so the taxes owed on the money likely wouldn't be that much.
Just something to think about tax-wise if it applies. It won't solve your tax-problem completely but would help. I'd also suggest using some ETF's where you can as you stated just for the tax efficiency of them.
I agree with the general view that, as cman put it, this planner sounds like a used car salesman. For two reasons: the annuity suggestion and more importantly the pressure to invest now.
However, I'm not ready to condemn the rest. Had the annuity suggestion come with a discussion of how income might be coordinated with Social Security, how much was needed at what time, this could have been a reasonable discussion and proposal.
"In this day and age", people are getting pushed into wrap accounts, typically costing 1%/year. Compared to this, a portfolio of American Funds A shares could look like a positive bargain. The front end load, once paid, is done with. If you switch from one American Fund mutual fund to another, there is no additional charge.
Further, the family seems to give breakpoints based on total AUM (excluding MMF), not just investment in the fund being purchased. It shouldn't take many years before an American Funds portfolio (A shares) comes out less expensive than one managed as a newfangled wrap account.
The shares the planner was recommending were A shares. These have a 3.75% (or less) front end load. B shares are no longer offered by American Funds.
The fact that 3.75% was mentioned as the load for these shares says that we're talking about less than a $100K total investment (across all American Fund mutual funds). Because that's where the load drops to 2.5%.
I'm curious about the 75/25 recommendation. That's more aggressive than "conventional wisdom" suggests. Not that I necessarily disagree with it, but rather that it could suggest that the friend needed hefty returns for retirement. But that seems to contradict the comment that she was in good shape due to the life insurance policy. Perhaps this indicates the planner wasn't paying attention (which would be enough to rule him out), or perhaps there are other issues we don't know about.
In any case, it sounds like there's a fair amount of miscommunication going on.
You mention that you're currently maxing out your Roth IRA but are you also maxing out your 401k?I can tell you that 75% of the portfolio is in taxable accounts because it is inherited money. The remaining 25% is in tax-deferred accounts (401K, Roth IRA, Rollover IRA). I'm maxing out my Roth IRA each year, but there's not much else I can do with this breakdown. As a result, taxes are a concern moving forward.
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