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  • Seafarer Conference Call Today
    @Charles
    Glad you were able to enjoy the Coastal Trail on a balmy day. The last time I walked that beach, the wind almost ripped the clothes from my body! Where are you "camping"--- at Clint Eastwood's lodge? :)
    @David_Snowball
    I'll be looking forward to the prospectus changes Andrew Foster wants to make, as well as to the report of your visit with Bryan Krug at the M* conference (I have suspicions--- just a wild guess--- you are hoarding it for the monthly commentary).
    Good luck with The New You Plan, and stop being such a baby re. the legumes; if you treat them gently/respectfully, and don't overcook, then they're good to go:
    http://news.health.com/2014/06/09/are-you-eating-enough-powerhouse-vegetables/
    p.s. low salt diet is considered 1500 mg/day or less
  • Fidelity: A Secular Bull Market ? Video Presentation
    Well worth the 4 minutes 53 seconds it takes to watch this video. Who would have thought that the Fed engaged in quantitative easing in the past.......
  • Seafarer Conference Call Today
    @David_Snowball.
    Ha!
    Some MFO pair we make.
    We were camping in Monterey. You know, trying to be a little more like the Harbor Seals in this picture, which was taken while bike-riding along Bay Coastal Trail near Cannery Row...
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    Best I could do was Mr. Foster's briefing. Here's link to pdf:
    Seafarer Conference Call - 26Jun2014
    Let's trust others on the board called-in and will share some highlights or impressions.
  • The Closing Bell: U.S. Stocks End Higher
    @Charles Thanks, Chauncey G. For a rosier outlook, maybe I should be using whatever you're using; is it expensive? :)
    Come to think of it, the smoke tree sapling I've been pampering for 5 years finally took off this Spring. Maybe I'm mismeasuring the potential of the green shoots.
  • RSIVX vs ICMUX (short term high yield)
    Considering your other holdings, and your concerns re. safety, I think the RiverPark fund might be the better way to go, for several reasons:
    1. It would give you something you don't have;
    2. Sherman probably will keep the fund's duration lower than ICMYX will, over the long-term, simply because that's the way it is designed.
    @IChamp If you have a good base in those other 3 funds, adding either of these 2 should give you a pretty sweet mix for heading in to near-term concerns (3-5 yrs out); in the event fixed income would go ugly, you should be able to sleep with minimal anxiety. Nice.
  • The Closing Bell: U.S. Stocks End Higher
    Oh yes, those "lingering concerns" over economic growth. News flash: the second revision of Q1 GDP took the original, slightly positive number, down to almost -3%; because weather? The economy may be contracting. If Q2 is negative, the ghost will have been given up to a recessionary period, and we'll get the market contraction we've been waiting for.
    If ya want a more valid "lingering concern," how about looking at why U.S. stocks ended up higher today?
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-27/todays-wtf-moment-day-1550et
    Unrigged?
  • John Waggoner: Time to Sell Your Junk
    No need to get in a tizzy. Stay grounded, and let the price of things be your guide (not pundit hysteria, that is simply trying to get you to buy and sell and buy and sell).
    http://alephblog.com/2014/06/25/a-few-notes-on-bonds/
    @VintageFreak I see nothing wrong/imprudent with opening a small position in ARTFX. How often does one have an opportunity to invest with a Top-Tier manager (of any asset class), in the prime of his life, at the top of his game, in a new fund where he has a lot of latitude in deciding what he thinks needs to be done? The fact he is able to do this at such a classy fund family as Artisan is just icing on the cake. Also, Artisan allows one to initiate at practically nothing (actually, I think it may be zero, with an AIP) so very little capital needs to be put at risk, until better values appear. What's not to like?
  • RSIVX vs ICMUX (short term high yield)
    Sounds a bit like a mid-east marriage brokerage... how about $200k, 50 cows and I'll throw in a couple of Kalishnikovs...?
  • RSIVX vs ICMUX (short term high yield)
    Before you fall too much in love, be aware that ICMUX has an initial investment requirement at Schwab of $250K. Other broker/dealers may vary.
  • Paul Merriman: The One Asset Class Every Investor Needs
    >> 35 years is a long enough time to start to be statistically significant
    'start to be' --- now there's a stats assertion you don't read every day.
    Speaking of timespans, GPGOX and BRSIX do look interesting, and outperform WEMMX recently (only recently).
    Apologies if I misinferred.
  • Paul Merriman: The One Asset Class Every Investor Needs
    I do love theoretical argument, especially by academics, but hey, I have an idea instead:
    Go to M* 10k growth and chart VFINX, GABEX, GABSX, and WEMMX for 5-6-7-8-9-10y, and then max to 1998.
    Report what you see then and tell how it fits in with all these theories. (I chose the last three cuz it's the same guy and team, of course.)
    I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. My post was meant to be an anti-academic/theory one, or at least anti-bad-academics. I do love me some Robert Shiller. Paul Merriman and MJG are convinced by the Fama-French arguments. I am skeptical and tried to present the other side of that story.
    Comparing the 10-15 year returns of certain active funds with that of the S&P is a bit apples to oranges. I'm with you that active management provides downside protection and the possibility of better returns. But the question was "does SCV provide better returns?"
    Over the last 15 years, the answer has been yes. But look back to valuation levels in 1999. The nature of market-cap weighting meant the S&P was full of overvalued tech stocks waiting to crash, while small value stocks languished. Savvy, patient managers were able to provide great returns when that bubble broke. But those conditions do not exist today. As an example, look at the returns of $10,000.00 for VFINX ($136,691.30 or 19.05%) vs. NAESX ($48,688.57 or 11.13%) over the previous 15 years, 6/26/1984 - 6/26/1999. Incidentally, the Tech and Japan Bubbles are my arguments #1 and #2 against market-cap indices.
    That's why I gave 35 year returns of four distinct equity areas. 1979 was chosen for three reasons: First, 35 years is a long enough time to start to be statistically significant; second, 35 years is a fair approximation of the horizon of a retirement savings plan; Third, the evidence that small-cap stocks outperform was taken from the Rolf Banz 1979 paper using data from 1936-1975.
    Over the past 35 years, the returns were:
    VFINX = 11.66%
    NAESX = 11.37%
    M*'s LCV tracker = 11.21%
    M*'s SCV tracker - 11.98%
    Banz's paper was subject to later revision when people realized he hadn't accounted for survivorship bias. But that didn't stop Fama and French from harping on about the size premium, and how you get compensated for increased risk. And now they've gone back and admitted they just kind of made that up, but, hey, here's a whole new model!
  • Way To Go, Girl ! Kathleen Gaffney At $1 Billion Tops Bond World
    FYI: Kathleen Gaffney spent 15 years as understudy to star bond manager Dan Fuss at Loomis Sayles & Co. A year-and-a-half after starting her own fund, she’s beating her old boss and the rest of the bond world.
    Gaffney’s Eaton Vance Bond Fund, which opened three months after she left Loomis Sayles in October 2012, returned 19 percent over the past year, better than 99 percent of peers, according to data from Morningstar Inc
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2014-06-26/gaffney-at-1-billion-tops-bond-world-after-leaving-fuss.html
    M* Snapshot Of EVBAX: http://quotes.morningstar.com/fund/evbax/f?t=evbax
  • John Waggoner: Time to Sell Your Junk
    FYI: In finance, as in life, disaster doesn't always strike suddenly. There are usually warnings beforehand. And while predicting markets is dangerous, there really are very few happy outcomes from junk bond funds right now.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/waggoner/2014/06/26/investing-junk-is-trash/11418523/
  • Paul Merriman: The One Asset Class Every Investor Needs
    >> But if they do weight to SCV, they should be aware they are accepting increased risk with no guarantee of increased returns.
    I do love theoretical argument, especially by academics, but hey, I have an idea instead:
    Go to M* 10k growth and chart VFINX, GABEX, GABSX, and WEMMX for 5-6-7-8-9-10y, and then max to 1998.
    Report what you see then and tell how it fits in with all these theories. (I chose the last three cuz it's the same guy and team, of course.)
    And/or someone could just do the charting of my earlier post above.
    And of course there's no 'guarantee'.
  • Paul Merriman: The One Asset Class Every Investor Needs
    bee, not sure what you mean by "but they perform in the relative space." Looks like VHCOX is a large cap growth fund per M*, with only 1% of its assets in small cap value. POAGX looks to be a midcap growth fund, and also has only 1% of its assets in small cap value, but does have 26% of its assets in the small cap growth space.
    Wrt "keep in mind that successful SCV funds pretty quickly become categorized as MCV funds." This can certainly happen, especially if a fund, by virtue of its success, has a large increase in asset base, making it difficult for the fund to stay in the small cap space. My guess is this may have happened with Fidelity Low-Priced Stock FLPSX, which is now a midcap fund, although I don't have data from when the fund started out.
    I think one can probably rest assured that a SCV index fund will stay true to its SCV space.
    One SCV fund that caught my attention is Bridgeway Small-Cap Value BRSVX, which has an average market cap of 1,149 million and has been around since 2003. Interesting that the P/E ratio is only 15, and low P/B, showing its value nature. Bridgeway has some interesting funds. They also have a fund, Bridgeway Blue Chip 35 Index BRLIX, with a 174 billion dollar average market capitalization!
    They have another even more interesting SCV fund, Bridgeway Omni Small-Cap Value N BOSVX, with an average market cap of only 662 million, and a P/E of 14. I'd be most interested in that one, but it looks like it is only open to financial advisors and their clients.
    @bee, appreciate if you can look at your PM
  • Paul Merriman: The One Asset Class Every Investor Needs
    Are we going to repeat history here?
    Does anyone remember about 20 years ago when the Dogs of the Dow investing strategy became very popular? Books and articles came out showing that if you just invested in the 10 highest dividend yielding stocks of the Dow 30 on the first day of the year, held them one year, then rebalanced into the new 10 Dow "Dogs", and repeated this process every year, you would have beaten the indexes soundly.
    The major full service brokerages all came out with Unit Investment Trusts that held the 10 Dow Dogs and rebalanced into the new 10 Dow dogs the first day of each year. Mutual funds came out that focused on the strategy of the Dow dogs and modified the strategy. New versions came out, such as just investing in the top 5 dividend yielding Dow stocks. Then the strategy was applied to other indexes besides the Dow, foreign indexes, etc.....
    Is small cap value investing going to become the new Dogs of the Dow? Will it crescendo in popularity until everyone knows about the supposed superiority of investing in small cap value?
    And as it gets pushed by more and more registered investment advisors and market 'experts', how long will it take before the outperformance weakens? Will it one day turn into underperformance?
    I've got no horse in this race. Just a student of the markets, trying to learn more and more.
  • How To Beat ETFs
    FYI: These days everybody loves exchange-traded funds. Investors are pouring billions into low-cost ETFs that track various stock, bond and other asset class indexes. Money manager friends of mine sigh and say it’s impossible to earn a buck running a portfolio these days, because ETFs let people do it so cheaply.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-to-beat-etfs-2014-06-26/print?guid=355B2658-FD36-11E3-B93C-00212803FAD6
  • Paul Merriman: The One Asset Class Every Investor Needs
    Not to flame another Cman/MJG war, but there is definitely another side to this story. Fama-French factors have come into some pretty compelling criticism lately, and it is no longer clear there is a SCV premium or historical outperformance.
    First, a graphic example. (edit: Sigh, looks like M* won't allow you to link to the period I had originally input. To look at that chart, use 6/25/1979 as the start date. The values I listed are correct.)
    Those are the returns of a $10,000.00 investment in each of VFINX ($474,278.66), NAESX ($434,025.38), SCV ($524,319.28), and LCV ($411,828.31) over the past 35 years, approximately the time horizon of a retirement portfolio.
    Second, the CAPM model assumes the most efficient portfolio is one that contains all the securities in a market, and that any excess return comes from increased risk. Fama-French expands that by explaining where you find that risk (beta). You aren't increasing your diversification by adding SCV to a portfolio of domestic stocks (if you doubt this, check a correlation table between VFINX and VISVX). You are adding risk in hope of greater returns.
    So two questions:
    1) Where are the excess returns for the small cap and value premia; and
    2) if this investor didn't get greater returns, why did he/she accept greater risk?
    As a lot of us probably know this, I'll just link these articles and let people ruminate on their own.
    Sam Lee from M* explains Fama-French factors well here and here. He also explains his problems with Efficient Market Theory here. You can find the original paper describing the small-cap premium by Rolf Banz here.
    Turns out, however, that there has been no return premium for small cap stocks since the data was gathered by Banz in 1979. How can that be? Explanations for problems with the Fama-French assumptions, start with their own recent paper explaining how the three factors are actually five. Ask yourself after, "where does this stop?"
    From there you can read:
    Sam lee on the Five-Factor model. ("I think this should be a come-to-Jesus moment for those who've taken the F-F model as the gospel truth. Fama and French admit that their original three-factor model was not motivated by theory. They chose value and size because they worked better than other characteristics in back-tests. Grounded in the efficient-market hypothesis, they came up with risk-based stories for these patterns. Small-cap stocks provided excess returns because they're more vulnerable to the business cycle. Value stocks did so because they were distressed.
    However, since then, the size factor is no longer considered a significant source of excess returns by many academics and practitioners. Rolf Banz's original 1981 study showing a huge size premium was marred by survivorship bias. After it was corrected in the mid-1990s, back-tests showed a much smaller premium. Moreover, whatever excess returns small-cap stocks provided were driven by the smallest, least liquid securities.")
    John Rekenthaler on problems with supposed historical premia. ("To the extent that smaller companies do outperform, those gains likely owe to a liquidity premium. Smaller-company shares have lower trading volume, which increases the chance of moving the stock price by putting in a trade order, and which hampers the investor’s ability to rapidly enter or exit a position. Low liquidity is a real cost that deserves to be compensated with a real return. This is fine--but properly speaking, it’s not a small-company effect.")
    Finally these are articles from Advisor Perspectives, a commentary/newsletter service for FAs: 'The Small Cap Falsehood' ("The supposed outperformance of small cap stocks is a foundational precept on which many respected asset managers have staked their expertise over the years – foremost among them, Dimensional Fund Advisors (DFA), the famed fund company that has gained a near-religious following since they popularized small cap indexing three decades ago. A growing body of research, however, shows no such advantage for the last 30 years and, now, a new study seems to have proven that the supposed small-cap advantage may have never existed in the first place.");
    and 'A Test for Small Cap and Value Stocks' ("In a recent talk, Stanford professor and Nobel economist Bill Sharpe challenged advocates of smart-beta strategies, including overweighting small-cap and value stocks, to respond to two questions. Can the strategy be adopted by all market participants, or does it have a practical limit in terms of assets that can be invested? If it has a practical limit, then one should expect the premium to decrease over time.
    For small-cap stocks, for example, it is obvious that the answer is "no" – eventually the dollars pursuing those stocks would make them mid- or large-cap stocks. The same is true for value stocks; the money pursuing them will eventually drive prices up and erase their risk premium.
    In an email exchange, [Larry] Swedroe essentially agreed.")
    It should be pointed out that Merriman has an agenda here: he sells DFA funds that are uniquely based on the Fama-French factors. To be fair, those funds have done very well since inception. It is worth asking, however, if the small cap premium is based in liquidity and not size, whether an index is the best method of including this asset class in a portfolio.
    It should also be said that the one factor that is predictive of future performance is valuation as measured by Shiller CAPE. And right now, US small caps have historically high valuations.
    So should someone include SCV? That depends on what their horizon and goals are. But if they do weight to SCV, they should be aware they are accepting increased risk with no guarantee of increased returns.
  • Paul Merriman: The One Asset Class Every Investor Needs
    Hi rjb112,
    Yes indeed, a Small Cap Value mutual fund is a valuable holding within a portfolio. It adds robustness to the portfolio with its diversification attribute and its incremental excess returns (something like 2%) above large cap equity holdings.
    This is not a new finding. Folks have been exploiting its benefits for two decades. The original research that identified its benefits was generated in 1992 by the Fama-French University of Chicago academic team. Their model is called the Fama-French Three Factor model.
    The signal paper is titled “The Cross-Section of Expected Stock Returns”. It was published in the Journal of Finance. The 3-factor model includes Bill Sharpe’s market Beta term, but was expanded to incorporate a small cap component and a low price-to-book ratio value component. It represented the first perceived shortcoming in Bill Sharpe’s CAPM model.
    Here’s a Link to a reasonable summary of the Fama-French work:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankarmstrong/2013/05/23/fama-french-three-factor-model/
    As the article stated, Fama-French is a better mouse trap (but still imperfect). That discovery shocked some nonscientists. That’s an overreaction. Models are simplifications that incorporate assumptions and constraints; consequently, they are almost never perfect. That’s especially true for disciplines like economics and finance which are strongly influenced by behavioral biases and emotions which are dynamically sensitive to a host of factors.
    Paul Farrell’s 8 Lazy Portfolios have practically implemented the Fama-French research in their Index heavy portfolios. Just scan these 8 portfolios, all assembled by acknowledged financial wizards, to judge its near universal acceptance. Here is the Link to Farrell’s frequently referenced scorecard:
    http://www.marketwatch.com/lazyportfolio
    I have been using the Fama-French work for two decades using a mix of both actively managed and passive Index mutual fund products. The obvious Index choices are Vanguard entries: Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund (VTSMX) and Vanguard Small-Cap Value Index Fund (VISVX).
    The total stock market fund includes a fair share of small cap components, but adding the focused small cap value holding adds weight to keep portfolio returns high while slightly reducing its overall standard deviation.
    The longer term (since 2000) correlation coefficient between the two Vanguard indices is 0.93; a shorter term (dating from 2012) correlation coefficient is 0.95. This minor correlation coefficient disparity between these two funds doesn’t significantly impact portfolio standard deviation, but the historical excess returns is worth pursuing.
    By the way, Fama and French are currently pushing an improved 5-factor model. And so research continues……. So you have assigned yourself a never ending task. Good luck and good hunting.
    Best Regards.