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  • Paul Merriman: Make Your Kid Rich For A $! A Day
    I always enjoyed Spock's idea of getting rich. Take a penny and double it each day. In less than a month you will have $1 million.
    Very nice JohnChisum
    From my internet search, looks like if you start with a penny and double it every day, after 30 days you end up with $5,368,709
  • Top Large Cap Growth Funds 15 Years
    I don't know that much about the other funds but looking at the last 15 years it is only very recently that Sequoia was a large cap growth fund . For most of the period it was considered large cap value and somewhat recently large cap core
  • Smallcap overvaluation - Intrepid funds commentary
    @Ted
    Actually yahoo finance graphs do not account for reinvested distributions. The right graph to compare is
    http://quotes.morningstar.com/chart/fund/chart?t=ICMAX&region=usa&culture=en-US
    You can add IWM to compare.
    @LLJB
    I see your point. However, this is not Hussman with a complicated strategy. They claim not to find enough companies worth investing in this climate and as a result their cash position has increased. It is not a big position (<5% of my portfolio). Actually, I would find IWM tough to hold around 2008.
  • Top Large Cap Growth Funds 15 Years
    Sectors or other countries apart, so confused about what they're saying in general. SP500 grew to 19k since '99. Contrafund, the lowest on their list, to <30k, DODGX (does that qualify? presumably) to >34k. Matthew 25 to 37k. Was there an article to contextualize this misleading graphic? Ted, help us out.
  • Smallcap overvaluation - Intrepid funds commentary
    What's interesting is that these Intrepid guys are clearly willing to stand by their principles in a big way and it has worked historically. ICMAX and IWM were close to being equal from the fund's inception until mid 2008. ICMAX lost far less than IWM and pretty much everybody else during the crisis and it took years for IWM and any of my small cap favorites to catch up. Eventually they did, but if Intrepid is right about small-cap valuations then they will again significantly outperform during a sizeable downturn. If you believe there's still upside for a while into the future, then they will be way behind when a correction eventually comes and it may be more difficult to regain a long term edge. I normally like these kinds of guys- principled, focused, willing to bet big on what they believe in. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I could hang in there when they're in the 99th percentile for the last 5 years.
  • Smallcap overvaluation - Intrepid funds commentary
    @Kaspa: ICMAX vs. IWM From 10/5/2005 to 8/11/2014. Click on Max. Click on Compare. Type in IWM In my opinion, its time to fold this fund
    Regards,
    Ted
    Cost:
    ICMAX 1.40%
    IWM .20%
    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=ICMAX+Interactive#symbol=ICMAX;range=1y
  • Top Large Cap Growth Funds 15 Years
    This may be a bit misleading because this list is only US focused large-cap growth funds and it doesn't include any sector specific funds. So I looked at large-cap growth funds through today without any restrictions and here's what I found. There were 467 distinct funds in existence for the last 15 years and 16 of them were better than Vanguard's Capital Opportunity fund which tops the linked list. Most of them were emerging markets or sector specific, but apparently Fidelity's Canada fund did marginally better as well. The last fund on the linked list was Fidelity Contrafund, which was ranked 13th on the linked list but came in at number 90 on my screen, or top 20%. Apparently 296 of the funds (or 63%) beat the S&P 500. I'd be a little suspicious of the claim that large cap growth funds on average only earned 4.45% over the last 15 years too. Essentially that's no return on an annual basis, but of the 467 funds on the screen I ran only 6 had negative annual returns for the last 15 years. Maybe the statement includes a bunch of funds that existed, lost money and then liquidated so they don't show up in my screen.
    I wouldn't debate whether core funds or value funds did better than growth funds, but the idea that the S&P, core and value funds all grew this much and growth did nothing seems odd.
  • Paul Merriman: Make Your Kid Rich For A $! A Day
    It achieves a most amazing result when the author simply dismisses inflation because Charlotte probably will be able to add to her investments through her adult life. That's great for Charlotte, it means she's earning more than it costs her to live, but I thought we were talking about what we as parents or grandparents can do for Charlotte by contributing $1 each day for 18 years. If I did the math right, if we use the Fed's target rate of 2% inflation, then her $4.2 million at age 65 is worth a little less than $1.2 million in today's terms. Its still not an insignificant sum, but inflation can't simply be dismissed because Charlotte will add to her investments.
    My older kids were lucky enough to inherit a bit of money from their great grandmother when they were young and I invested $4000 in PRHSX for my last one on the day she was born. I don't really want my kids to think about those gifts as retirement money, but for whatever they decide I'd hope they've at least had a decent head start.
  • Paul Merriman: Make Your Kid Rich For A $! A Day
    FYI: This extremely modest investment can yield amazing long-term results. Would you believe $4 million when your child reaches age 65 ?
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/make-your-kid-rich-for-1-a-day-2014-08-13/print?guid=7980C759-83B2-4D78-8380-FA7152219BD4
  • The average investor has lagged cash over the past 20 years??
    MJG, going back in time a bit. Over the 10 years ending March 31, 1999 only 2 newsletter timing strategies out of 59 tracked by Mark Hulbert were able to beat the returns of a buy and hold strategy in the Wilshire 5000 Index. Over the previous five years (ending March 31, 1999) just 1 out of 104 timing strategies beat the Wilshire 5000 Index. (source: The Hulbert Financial Digest April 27, 1999 issue p.12)
    As for Dalbar, they mapped investor return data from January 1984 to December 1997. Over that period the S&P had an annualized return of 17.1%. But the Dalbar study found that the average equity fund investor had an annualized return of only 6.7%. (source: "1999 Personal Planning Investment Guide" Special Advertising Section, Forbes Magazine, May 3, 1999, p. 12.)
  • Why Vanguard's Actively Managed Funds Are A Better Bet
    FYI:In 1991, Dan Wiener, a magazine reporter covering mutual funds, decided to get into the newsletter business. As the name he chose for his letter made clear, the mission of the Independent Adviser for Vanguard Investors would be to provide unbiased advice to clients of the Malvern, Pa., fund giant. Explains Wiener: “As a mutual fund writer, I had all this information at my fingertips that average investors didn’t. And investors got no advice from Vanguard, so I thought this might be valuable.”
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.kiplinger.com/printstory.php?pid=12652
  • Top Large Cap Growth Funds 15 Years
    FYI: In the past 15 years, a $10,000 investment in large-cap growth funds would have grown to $10,445, according to Morningstar data. That's much lower than the $21,194 for large-cap core funds, which invest in both growth and value stocks.
    Large-cap value funds were close behind with $19,605, as was the S&P 500 with $18,742.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://news.investors.com/photopopup.aspx?path=WEBlv081314.gif&docId=712998&xmpSource=&width=1000&height=1063&caption=&id=713001
  • The average investor has lagged cash over the past 20 years??
    Hi Guys,
    This MarketWatch referenced article should really not shock anyone.
    It is simply another report on the very consistent Dalbar studies, but with an extended comparative array of investment categories. Typically, the Dalbar individual investor returns analyses are only contrasted against the S&P 500 long-term returns as the standard of performance measurement.
    These comparative performance measures have been so consistently against the private investor that I elect not to Link them on the MFO Board. It is “old stuff”, and not particularly remarkable.
    The most noteworthy data in the chart presentation are the 20-year average returns for the vast array of categories that were included in the chart itself. Will these disparate results remain intact in the future or will there be a regression-to-the-mean? Therein rests the investor’s challenge.
    If you are dismayed by the 20-year data presentation, you will be even more offended by the poor 30-year performance record attributed to individual investors. It too emphasizes the humiliating and destructive performance of Joe Six-Pack. Here is a Link to a recent Jason Zweig NY Times article that focused on this same topic for a 30-year period:
    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304655304579551914113672646
    The article does a workmanlike job of explaining its title: “Just How Dumb Are Investors?” Zweig finds an easy answer to that vexing question which was discussed on the MFO Board a few weeks ago.
    Zweig observes that “Investors aren't nearly as dumb as Dalbar's numbers suggest. But everyone can still get smarter.” Hope springs eternal.
    The Dalbar methodology is surely not perfect. Even Dalbar has acknowledged that observation. However, it is sufficiently structured to capture the overarching investor lackluster performance. Absolute numbers are method dependent.
    It appears that individual investors suffer from a triple investment whammy. Morningstar constantly reports that actively managed funds usually underperform their representative benchmarks. Because of poor timing or other financial commitments, fund investors typically collect returns that are below those generated by the funds they buy. Embedded within that finding is that investors tend to favor the “hot-hand” behavioral style of performance chasing. All these misbehavior factors, and many others, erode investor annual returns.
    The numbers change depending on the timeframe and the study methodology, but the dismal investor rewards pattern has remained intact for decades. Not that its especially good news, but institutional agents also underperform their respective benchmarks, although by a slightly lesser magnitude than the citizen investor.
    These data comparisons are one of the persistent arguments for a buy-and-hold strategy for extended, but not forever, timeframes.
    Best Wishes.
  • Best market or sector to invest now, emerging, broad U.S., real estate, International, health
    As I noted in the other thread, buy healthcare and just own it.
    I don't own any coal plays, but the only one that would interest me if I was looking is Westshore Terminals (WTSHF.pk), Canada's leading coal export terminal. We may not want coal, but other countries apparently do:
    "Westshore will remain basically fully booked for capacity through 2014, 2015 and into 2016 (with a rated capacity of 33 million tonnes per annum) until such time as the $275 million new equipment upgrades are installed and become operational, and which will result in modest capacity improvements at the terminal, anticipated to commence in 2017 through early 2019."
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/westshore-terminals-accommodates-coal-shippers-131500591.html
  • Best market or sector to invest now, emerging, broad U.S., real estate, International, health
    Frontier markets (using TRAMX and WAFMX) showing strong mo (momentum)
    EM seems like a mixed bag:
    -MAKOX (Korea), EWW (Mexico) both showing strong mo (making new highs)
    -LC China seems to be coming off recent lows (MCHFX) yet, small companies (MCSMX) and dividend investor (MCDFX) showing strong mo.
    -India (MINDX) has had very strong performance (86% above it's 52wk low), yet almost 2% off it's recent high (I'm monitoring this number more closely these days)
    -Russia has thrown funds like TREMX (EM Europe) and even PRESX (Europe) into a temporary tailspin...might be worth looking for a point where things improve and reverse direction.
    -Egypt and Turkey get thrown around for similar reasons based on the Middle East's turmoils
    RE I haven't overweighted, but hold as a diversifier to my other investments...performance seems interest rate sensitive to me...having a good year so far as LT treasuries moved lower. I own VNQ and PETDX. FIREX is a tamer way to get RE exposure.
    Buy healthcare for the long term...lots of flavors these days so do your research. I own VHT and PRHSX. Here's a recent thread where others have chimed in HC:
    mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/15007/healthcare-a-remedy-for-long-term-investors#latest
    I like of a good broad tech fund (USNQX) long term as well.
    Look for Coal to fill the energy voids created by energy disruptions...it's the dirty energy, but it is cheap and plentiful.
  • Good Morning ... Futures Are Pointing Up This Morning As I Write!
    Good Morning ... A look at the futures is linked below.
    http://finviz.com/futures.ashx
    And, here is a link below for market data as reported by WSJ. Scroll down until you come to the International Overview Section and one can see how some foreign markets are trading prior to the US Market opening.
    http://markets.wsj.com/usoverview
    This link will take you to information on what a couple of traders are seeing in the markets.
    http://www.mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/15035/here-is-how-a-couple-of-traders-see-it#latest
    In addition, one can access the above links and more by clicking on the below link. One might wish to save the below link as future reference as it has some new updates as of 08/12/2014.
    http://www.mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/14955/the-market-run-down-report-wsj-stocks-end-week-with-wild-ride
    Have a grand day ... and, I wish all "Good Investing."
    Old Skeet
  • Liquid Alts Get Their Own Benchmarks
    Oh, Hosanna! Liquid Alt Indexes, for "benchmarking purposes," no doubt "for the sophisticated investor." Is it not likely that, in 3-5 yrs, these liquid alt indexes probably will have all the meaningful substance of liquid (alt) stool? And yet one could wager, with reasonable confidence, the blogging space devoted to them will be ..... limitless.
    @Ted How were you able to post this and keep a straight face? [face palm] You are amazing!
    The Board needs a dedicated Comedy category; I nominate this announcement as first entry.
  • questions for Chuck Akre, Akre Focus (AKREX)?
    Very satisifed AKREX shareholder here (since 2009). I've noticed the drift upwards in average market capitalization lately and used this fund earlier in the year to replace the slumping SGROX (which also has a lot of midcaps) as my large cap growth fund. He seems to be largely capitalization agnostic, so it would be good to know if he thinks this trend will hold steady or continue in the short term. Of course, the name of the manager is more important than the name of the fund, but if FBR Focus, now Hennessey Focus is any indication, he is as good of a teacher as he is a stock picker, so I am a little less concerned about succession then I once was. (I may be overweighting the lack of a meltdown PRHSX had when the fund manager and 2 analysts abruptly left last year in this analysis). I don't think Chuck sees capacity as an issue anytime soon. The current 4-5% cash level seems about the norm for him, and definitely less than the crazy high levels in 2009-2010. However, he may not see many other opportunities right now than his current holdings (low 30s, I believe), since it seems like the % of the fund in his top picks has been gradually increasing lately.
  • Jeremy Grantham/GMO Asset Class Performance Forecasts
    Also see:
    DREYFUS: The Case For High Quality Stocks
    https://public.dreyfus.com/documents/manual/perspectives/dry-fsiiqwp.pdf
    and
    S&P: S&P 500 High Quality Rankings Index
    http://us.spindices.com/indices/strategy/sp-500-high-quality-rankings-index
    and
    QVM GROUP: High and Low Quality Stocks Beat the S&P 500
    http://qvmgroup.com/invest/2013/06/12/high-and-low-quality-stocks-beat-the-sp-500/
    and
    FAYEZ SAROFIM & CO: Investing in Quality Companies
    https://www.sarofim.com/assets/white papers/sarofim-quality-white-paper-2014.pdf
    [Manager of Dreyfus Appreciation Fund]
    and
    SEEKING ALPHA CONTRIBUTOR: What is Quality in a stock?
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/2163323-what-is-quality-in-a-stock
    [Broad based discussion, includes Morningstar screen]